Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because:

A: Asking for freighter fittings is like asking for fittings on shuttles. stupid pointless and distracts the ship from what the devs designed (even if you think they didnt design it right)

B: Asking for low slots and rigs on a freighter (im assuming low slots because what would be the point of high or mid slots with what you are talking about) is like asking people. "hey do you want to exploit and move Capital ships repackaged back into high sec"

C: As you stated in your own post you dont fly a freighter and never have. So how do you know its boring to fly them? Personally I love flying freighters into lowsec and in highsec with fleets and without.

D: You are asking for the game to be easy. thats never a good thing. Transportation of goods has already been brought down to the level of a 2 year old in EvE. Starting with warp to 0 on gate to the most recent Autopilot can dock in destination system newb buff.

E: dont like how long it takes to move something? Think you need something with +200k m3 of space thats far faster harder to tackle and with much more COOOOOOLLL!!!! factor?

Buy a JUMP FREIGHTER!!!! WOOT thats what they are for. Oh wait thats 7bill isk who was it that was talking about that diminishing return factor that you didnt believe?

What exploit did he mention? Webbing a freighter is not an exploit, its been that way since the beginning and devs have known about it from day one. That would tell me working as intended and not an exploit. The intent was to make freighters go to warp faster if you have support. This is an MMO so devs have designed something which works better in groups, but still allows solo work.

All your problems, align time, warp stability, safety are all solved using a team of players. If you want to solo with a freighter you are allowed to, but suffer the penalties of not using a team.

Align time = web to get to warp faster.
Warp stability = indirectly through webifier. If one can get it to warp quickly you probably cannot get in range to warp jam. Still a risk, but if you are in the situation where you need to worry about this then you already knew the risk and should have planned better.
Safety = Bring combat friends with a logistic support

Through teamwork there is no need to fittings on a freighter. Only solo needs fittings. Maybe the devs intended freighter defense through teamwork and not for solo. It is a MMO.

Please dont accuse somone of not reading a thread when you read the first few lines of my post only :)

You even read your own thread? WHO has said any "good reason" to fit a freighter. 90% of all posts to this thread have been "just say no to freighter fittings".

Even you the OP has not listen any "good" reasons to allow fittings on a freighter lets look at your "good reasons"

#1 Fittings would allow freighters to move faster:
I wont even touch this because its been hashed over by 20 people already on why its a bad thing

#2 Flying freighters is boring:
You dont fly one so you dont know. allowing freighters fits would make flying them faster. how would it make it less boring? And when did the fittings of certain ships depend on how fun they where to fly. Again I bring up shuttles they are boring to fly but they do their job well just like freighters and they have no fittings

#3 to quote you again "The freighters need an overhaul, they need fitting slots, players need to be able to decide whether they want a tanky freigher or a 'speedy' one.":
There is already an answer to this as i said before buy a jump freighter. Just because you SAY need doesn't mean its true.

#4........ there isnt a number four.

All your "good" reasons do not stand up to any amount of scrutiny. therefore they are NOT good reasons. If you are bored there are always other games that take no skill no time and keep you entertained with bright lights and spinning colors. Eve is not one of them.

Stop. You are not listening to the arguments put forth. I understand that the freighters are suppose to be slow moving, but i dont agree they should be this slow. At least i dont agree that there is no way of fitting them to be a bit faster

See... here's the problem with debates that many don't realize. There are arguments on both sides. Best argument, wins. So far, you have failed to produce a better argument than your opposition beyond, "slow freighters are an inconvenience" and "I think freighters need to be able to fit mods and rigs because currently they can't."

can i just say you use the quote option way to much.


I think its you who isnt looking at the arguments put forth. You keep saying there has to be a way to make freighters faster. And yes you are absolutely right. the devs could allow for instantaneous transportation of goods from one system to another and market it as the NPC's in the game moving the items.

However, the question you have failed to ask is WHY. YOu say its cause its to slow. What does that mean exactly. As it stands you can make very little money moving items in EvE as a profession. Why? because its far to simple to move items in EvE as it stands. Yet you are suggesting making it even easier? Again WHY?

When you have answered why in better terms than "because I with no experience think its too slow and too boring" I think people will take you more seriously. Also it would help if you provided counter arguments (no matter how bad) other than "you dont understand what Im saying" and "You are not listening to the arguments put forth" and "Are you serious". How is anyone to respond logically to the statement "Are you serious" by saying yes? If they did what would you do?


You havent made any arguments. Simply a claim. You have no supporting evidence and or clauses to substantiate "Freighters are too slow".

This is not a valid arguement. This is a complaint.



As nothing was changed this cannot be a nerf. Again this is simply a complaint.



I feel like I am repeating myself. Actaully, no its not a feeling I just am.



Proof? you have none. Also freighters take a minimum of 1 month of "downtime" as you call it training to get into. Plus at current market prices 1.6 Billion or so isk. If someone leaves game because they have to wait 30sec's x (however many jumps) after making it that far in the game they are likely wow players and EvE is better off without them.



I never even mentioned this before because.... well its pointless. However, so that you can understand why its pointless I will explain it.

1. In your own words adding 1 low slot would be pointless as you mentioned overdrives and nanofibers would be renderd moot on ships this size. so what else really would you fit in the low slot of a freighter to make it have any meaning? a damage control? Congrats Freighters now have the EHP to effectivly not get ganked in highsec (breaking a game mechanic)

2. What in the name of all thats Falcon would a freighter pilot need with 1 mid slot? honestly? a shield booster? cap booster? ECM? ECCM?......... a target painter? LOL

3. high slot..... do high slots get used on industrials other than for cloaks? or trolling with battle badgers? Honestly a cloaky freighter would be decloaked easier than you can say "Bad idea"

4. Experimenting with 3 slots? really? when the low slot doesnt make a bit of difference and the mid slots pointless and the high slot will get you laughed at in the kill mail you give out when you take a freighter cloaked into low sec? Is that really called experimenting? I dont often see people experiment with rookie ships. cause its pointless.

5. please see almost every other post in this thread as to why the instantaneous transportation of goods is a bad Idea.

I feel like im repeating myself. A large part of EVE is staring at the screen. Especially if you are a hauler. Add to that there is no money in it. So hauling just becomes something you got to do. For this reason the ship you use to haul stuff could use some love.

First of all its very slow. Its VERY slow. It doesent even have fitting slots. Its just overall a dull ship. Of course thats a problem since EVE is a game. Dont want dull things. With a rebalance, and fitting slots the freighter could become a more enjoyable ship. Rebalance is key though, because with fitting options comes a whole variety of ways to make an imba ship. I think this is why CCP skipped fittings entirely. So it was easier to balance. However freighters have been here for some time now and they deserve to be relooked at.

Do you agree that freighters are extremely slow? And do you agree that they have no fitting options?

You are probably way in over your head in this thread. My argument revolves around making EVE a more enjoyable game. I am not in favor of dumbing down and i have respect for the original creators ideas. Others however seem to have a different approach, its kind of short sighted if not sinister and it revolves around not changing anything if it could be better for _other_ pilots. At least thats how i see it.