EVE General Discussion

Anyone know if they are using actual market value for the bounties, or the same value they use for insurance? If the latter (and I'm guessing that'll be it), then ganking T2 hulls won't get much more profitable. The insurance on a Mack covers what, 40m? And you get 20% of that from the bounty pool? You only added 8m to the profit from ganking a Mack. Not a huge extra payday, especially if it is actually tank-fit in any way.

Personally, this won't affect my mining habits at all. No matter how much I think the fact that I am forced to fit a tank on a mining ship in what is supposed to be civilized, patrolled, and protected space is moronic, I do so. I also keep an eye on local and stay far away from the warp-in point, so I have plenty of time to see a ganker coming. I can read - a bounty won't get you kill rights, so the only danger to my ship is from ganking, which is ALREADY a danger, and one I've safely lived with for years. A bigger bounty won't put me in any greater danger as I am reading things, so the over-eager anarchists here can load me up all they want - all that will happen is that they will waste a LOT of their ISK.

I can see the "buff" the gankers are getting, here, but anyone that is the slightest bit intelligent will realize that the person putting out the bounty on miners in general is just throwing away money, and the 'buff' really isn't much of one. Not to mention the logistics...are you going to go out visiting every belt in every system in high sec every day, just to make sure you are getting all the miners? Or are you just going to start loading every person you see with bounties, on the off chance they might be miners? Personally, I think the system is more likely to be used MOSTLY as intended, and the real danger to miners in particular will be minimal.

At 1st there will be some bounties placed, and then it will fade when it does not have the desired effect. *shrug* At the end of the day, mining will still be done, and miners will still make ISK.

Thanks for the replies everyone. Not really what I was looking for, but interesting to read none the less.

Quite frankly I am a bit baffled by how little knowledge there is of the new bounty mechanics comming in December. I think a lot of the people in this thread really need to read the dev blog.

There will be no way to farm off the bounty with shuttles without paying out of pocket a lot more than the actual bounty. Let's say a shuttle is worth 10,000 ISK. You would get 2,000 ISK for blowing it up. The shuttle would then have cost you 8,000 ISK. Let's say you have a 500 million ISK bounty. You would have to blow up 250,000 shuttles, which would cost you 2 billion ISK. Insurance would lessen that a bit, but not by that much. You would still have to pay out significantly more than the bounty to "farm" it off. I'm also willing to bet that free rookie ships will pay out exactly 0 ISK.

Edit: Here is the math using real numbers:

Cost of Shuttle (Current Jita Price) : 20,000 ISK
Cost to insure shuttle : 4765.50 ISK
So the shuttle would cost you 24,765.50 ISK

Bounty pay out (20%): 4000 ISK
Insurance pay out : 15,785 ISK
So you would get 19,785 ISK upon destruction

You would lose 4980.50 per shuttle. A 500 million ISK bounty would require you to destroy 125,000 shuttle. To "farm off" the bounty would cost you 622,562,500 ISK and a LOT of time. Good luck with that :-)

Seriously people. Get out and read some dev blogs :-)

THIS

The bit people are missing when it comes to bounties.

Goons could come after me with a 50 TRILLION isk bounty. I'll just fly shuttles. It will cost bounty hunters MUCH MUCH more than 50 trillion to get the "payout".

There already is a counter - mine low-end minerals in low/wh/nullsec and dispose of any bumpers violently

How much ISK would it take to make ganking a 90k ehp Skiff profitable?

How many high-sec miners are there?

Very few players in EVE will have a working understanding of the new bounty system and kill right rules.

And even fewer will have prepared for it.

The class of eve player that will have the least options to handle this new bounty system are the new players before they can get their first jump clone. That group will have the most difficulty dealing with bounties.

Let's see, what would happen, live will go on, and like usual the bottom of the barrel will come complaining on the forums, and others who are equally at the bottom of their own barrel will feast on their tears. Parasites feeding on parasites.

What's to keep a miner from hoping in a skiff once he gets a bounty? The bounty is tied to the character right, not the ship?

The payout is based on the ship though not just the kill like it was (is).