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Simple question to all the high sec miners out there

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#81 - 2012-10-26 15:38:13 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
Use alt, start mutual fight at safe spot, grind bounty down, rinse, repeat.

Although that will work, the cost to you is 5 times the value of the bounty. You got a 100 million bounty? You need to blow up 500 million worth of ships to clear it.

The other way to clear a bounty is to suspend you account for 6 months. If you go that route, be sure to fill out the form CCP has asking why with "to clear the bounty placed on me".

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#82 - 2012-10-26 15:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Vincent Athena wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune
I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss

Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it.

Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.

Ah huh...so this supports my theory that null is not broken like they say if they can afford trillions. Which (scratching head) if its about ore prices and if it drops by 5 isk...or whatever because of hi sec miners I would lose chuckching chuckching chuckching amount of isk because of said miners...but if I pour in trillions into bounties and choke hi sec miners THEN wallah! Null corps can now set prices (and we all know how well thats going)(hi end minerals are what??? Dropping)so let me spend trillions to save millions or maybe a couple of billion on hi sec minerals, yes its all clear now. If you were Jewish I would take away your jew association card cause you don't add up brother.
Jin alPatar
Entertainment 7wenty
The Burning Contingent Alliance
#83 - 2012-10-26 15:41:02 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune
I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss

Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it.

Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.



I predict procurers becoming popular. It's pretty easy to get quite a few EHPs at a super cheap price. It'll never be profitable to gank procurers regardless of the bounty.


*grabs popcorn*
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#84 - 2012-10-26 15:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant.

Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.
Now replace those miners with ones that can handle themselves.
The impact is now insignificant again, and mining profession as a whole is probably a much healthier one.

Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Rookie ships & suspect flags?
Won't help you with the “lost ship value” part, which is what determines the bounty payout.

Jin alPatar wrote:
I predict procurers becoming popular. It's pretty easy to get quite a few EHPs at a super cheap price. It'll never be profitable to gank procurers regardless of the bounty.
It'll depend on what you fit on it and what tweaks they've made to remove the FW-target/Forex scheme, but yes. It shouldn't go over maybe 5M payout for a fully fitted Procurer.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#85 - 2012-10-26 15:41:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Fitchner wrote:
If you break-even with Insurance payout + bounty then I can see alot of problems for miners.

So I just have to place a bounty on a miner I want to kill, get a battleship load it with smartbombs, put insurance on it & get back a conciderable amount of isk.

Pretty stupid system if you ask me.

Gankers dont get insurance payouts.

And "place a bounty" means you spend ISK equal to the bounty you place. If you place a bounty on someone, then kill that someone yourself, you just get back the money you used for the bounty.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-10-26 15:42:31 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Any jerkoff with his mom's credit card can now go out, sell a PLEX, and stick billion ISK bounties on people with 5.0 security standings just for laughs?

Yes.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
mass unsubs.

Hopefully.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
The entire EvE economy will going flying down a jet

Not at all.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-10-26 15:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Carlton Foster wrote:
Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.


It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant.

Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.

If the stupidity goes on for too long I'll simply unsubscribe. CCP's income drops by $15 a month. The impact on their budget will be insignificant.

But again, multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.


(Just my opinion: Find whoever came up with the "Security status no longer matters" clause in the new bounty system and fire them. That one line is going to cost CCP subscribers. Lots of them. People who cost CCP subscribers should not be on CCP's payroll, let alone making decisions.)

Why would you want to leave, when you could just take a tanky mining ship,
actually tank it, actually pay attention and have HUGE profits, because all the cowards/idiots have left ?

Are you, by chance, one of the cowards/idiots ?


HEY, what if CCP doesn't WANT these guys in the game anyway, but doesn't restrict themselves to
either carebears or gankers ... but just wants to remove the cowards/idiots/whiny bitches ? ^_^
Robert De'Arneth
#88 - 2012-10-26 15:55:46 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune
I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss

Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it.

Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.



You assume the miners would care about the bounties, I feel pretty sure almost 90% of the miners will laugh, and even if they have to take a loss would make sure corpies get the bounties. I do not care if it would take 300 frigs to get the bounty down, every cent would go to a corpy period. There is no way this bounty will bother most people. I can make enough in about 20 mins to buy 40 frigs. They do not need to be fitted, get hit pop back out get hit, rinse and repeat. This bounty on miners will not be effective in the long run.

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Ginger Barbarella
#89 - 2012-10-26 16:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned


I'm curious when the complaints will start coming in accusing harassment... Griefing and bumping is one thing, but extortion in-game is borderline harassment.

As it sits so far I personally think the new bounty system has replaced a broken mechanism with one that's akin to the Tier 3 BCs: one purpose, and one purpose only.

Edit: jump clone set up in low, awaiting the bounty on me that one of my low-sec dwellers will quickly fulfill. Thanks, CCP. Twisted

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-10-26 16:03:19 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
HEY, what if CCP doesn't WANT these guys in the game anyway, but doesn't restrict themselves to
either carebears or gankers ... but just wants to remove the cowards/idiots/whiny bitches ? ^_^

well. it would be such a nice theory should "cowards/idiots/whiny bitches" pay less for the game than "heroes, etc...".
But it's not.
And removing players you just cut yourself profit from the game you sell.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2012-10-26 16:06:40 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I'm curious when the complaints will start coming in accusing harassment... Griefing and bumping is one thing, but extortion in-game is borderline harassment.
No, not really. If anything, it's less so than bumping is since there's such a clear profit motive (and bumping needs very special circumstances to qualify as griefing as it is).
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-10-26 16:06:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant.

Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.
Now replace those miners with ones that can handle themselves.
The impact is now insignificant again, and mining profession as a whole is probably a much healthier one.

common sense speak: for 1 person who "can handle themself" there is 100 of those who "can't". I took numbers from my arse but...

Now you replace 100 "stupid lazyboness" with 1 "cool and smart".

You still sure about your "impact will be insignificant"?

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Sidrat Flush
School of Applied Knowledge
#93 - 2012-10-26 16:08:11 UTC
There will be a lot of head scratching when this goes live and people realise it doesn't work exactly the way they think it should.

Just because a ships value is one thing today will it be worth more or less tomorrow due to the average mineral prices fluctuating. Will the bounty value be set for a fixed period of time before it gets recalculated? Will that value be based on the mineral price or the market value? Who will be crying more when mineral prices sky rocket yet there's even more might ers making obscene profits in empire because null alliances don't really need industrial miners all that much when so much can be done in empire even today and in December too.

Anyone paying the extortionate rate should be willing to pay every other character five to ten times that value to every other. character. I wish all the miner bumpers luck out there I just think they're sad enough to believe they will change the game and make enough isk to cover there time instead of doing level four missions.

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#94 - 2012-10-26 16:10:17 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
well. it would be such a nice theory should "cowards/idiots/whiny bitches" pay less for the game than "heroes, etc...".
But it's not.
And removing players you just cut yourself profit from the game you sell.


Oh shush you! Reason is just killing the mood in here, so get out!

Go on Robert, Tippia! I wanna here more delu... I mean enlightnening words from you!

...like where those new "miners that can actually handle themself" will come from... Blink

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#95 - 2012-10-26 16:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
March rabbit wrote:
Now you replace 100 "stupid lazyboness" with 1 "cool and smart".

You still sure about your "impact will be insignificant"?
Yes. Stupid & lazy tends to correlate very nicely with “inefficient”… say a 1:100 ratio of inefficiency.

Sidrat Flush wrote:
Just because a ships value is one thing today will it be worth more or less tomorrow due to the average mineral prices fluctuating. Will the bounty value be set for a fixed period of time before it gets recalculated? Will that value be based on the mineral price or the market value?
There's a reason why we got that “estimated value” counter in our inventories — it'll be used here in much the same way it was used for FW.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#96 - 2012-10-26 16:23:52 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:

Ah huh...so this supports my theory that null is not broken like they say if they can afford trillions.


1.5 trillion has been lost to us from freighter ganks aloneBlink

So, you can thank them for funding a 20 mil bounty on every miner.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#97 - 2012-10-26 17:15:14 UTC
I'll buy a bunch of shuttles and kill my self with an alt.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#98 - 2012-10-26 17:24:41 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
Vincent Athena wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:
Use alt, start mutual fight at safe spot, grind bounty down, rinse, repeat.

Although that will work, the cost to you is 5 times the value of the bounty. You got a 100 million bounty? You need to blow up 500 million worth of ships to clear it.

The other way to clear a bounty is to suspend you account for 6 months. If you go that route, be sure to fill out the form CCP has asking why with "to clear the bounty placed on me".


True, I need to look at the mechanics of it to see if they are going to take in to account cargo in terms of value or if they learned their lesson from FW when coding it. Otherwise you would be doing it to get it down far enough to attract attention to others.

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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#99 - 2012-10-26 17:25:45 UTC
I wish there was a universe without miners. We all end up flying 1b isk shuttles and noone harms anyone anymore.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-10-26 18:59:10 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
HEY, what if CCP doesn't WANT these guys in the game anyway, but doesn't restrict themselves to
either carebears or gankers ... but just wants to remove the cowards/idiots/whiny bitches ? ^_^

well. it would be such a nice theory should "cowards/idiots/whiny bitches" pay less for the game than "heroes, etc...".
But it's not.
And removing players you just cut yourself profit from the game you sell.

I don't see this as an argument, tbh. Of course, it seems reasonable that they want to keep as much people
as they can ... and i agree ... but in the long run, it's perfectly valid to remove one group of people and
make the game more interesting for the other, so more of these join in.

Anyway ... we'll see what'll happen.