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Simple question to all the high sec miners out there

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Fitchner
Delicious Snacks
#61 - 2012-10-26 13:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Fitchner
edited - concord dont pay insurance.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#62 - 2012-10-26 13:49:55 UTC
Fitchner wrote:
If you break-even with Insurance payout + bounty then I can see alot of problems for miners.

So I just have to place a bounty on a miner I want to kill, get a battleship load it with smartbombs, put insurance on it & get back a conciderable amount of isk.

Pretty stupid system if you ask me.

Gankers dont get insurance payouts.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-10-26 14:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
So you're flying around with your buddy in hisec when you notice you can buy kill-rights on him really cheap. Then .... out of the blue someone put a 2 bil bounty on him. Bonus, he's flying his super expensive officer moded ship.

What to do? Shocked

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#64 - 2012-10-26 14:10:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
baltec1 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'll just use an alt to collect the Bounty. I'll gladly self-gank for access to your 500,000,000 ISK.

Its a percentage of your ships hull worth so if you do this in a shuttle youu are going to be spending good deal of time doing it.



Gank with a shuttle. M'kay.

Now you just look silly.


Just 'following' your terrible advice.

edit: And you call someone silly.... with that face.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2012-10-26 14:13:49 UTC
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Just 'following' your terrible advice.

edit: And you call someone silly.... with that face.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-10-26 14:14:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'll just use an alt to collect the Bounty. I'll gladly self-gank for access to your 500,000,000 ISK.

Its a percentage of your ships hull worth so if you do this in a shuttle youu are going to be spending good deal of time doing it.



Gank with a shuttle. M'kay.

Now you just look silly.


Just 'following' your terrible advice.

Now you just look sillier.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#67 - 2012-10-26 14:14:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Quote:


Just 'following' your terrible advice.

edit: And you call someone silly.... with that face.

Lean in closer so that I may whisper sweet nothings into your ear.



Just so long as you don't bump a lot.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#68 - 2012-10-26 14:55:30 UTC
Carlton Foster wrote:
Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.


It means I stop mining. The game gets that much fewer minerals and finished goods. The market shrinks by one miner/industrialist. The impact on the game will be insignificant.

Now multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.

If the stupidity goes on for too long I'll simply unsubscribe. CCP's income drops by $15 a month. The impact on their budget will be insignificant.

But again, multiply that by every miner who feels the same. The impact is no longer insignificant.


(Just my opinion: Find whoever came up with the "Security status no longer matters" clause in the new bounty system and fire them. That one line is going to cost CCP subscribers. Lots of them. People who cost CCP subscribers should not be on CCP's payroll, let alone making decisions.)

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Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-10-26 14:55:38 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'll just use an alt to collect the Bounty. I'll gladly self-gank for access to your 500,000,000 ISK.

Its a percentage of your ships hull worth so if you do this in a shuttle youu are going to be spending good deal of time doing it.



Gank with a shuttle. M'kay.



This is not how the new system will work.

Anyone attempting to gank themselves would lose money, not make it. The only benefit to ganking oneself would be the chance to remove said bounty at your own leisure and to avoid losing any cargo that your ship may be carrying.


Rookie ships & suspect flags?

It'll take a long time but as we all know, 'taking ages' has rarely been a prohibitive barrier to all.
Master Gotama
Black Sky Hipsters
#70 - 2012-10-26 14:55:38 UTC
What’s to stop a miner with a bounty from hopping in an insured battleship with 5% hull left and having an alt in a frig/destroyer explode the BS? Miner gets insurance payout on main and bounty on alt. Of course all ships and mods used would be produced from minerals they mined for free.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#71 - 2012-10-26 14:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Inquisitor Kitchner
Master Gotama wrote:
What’s to stop a miner with a bounty from hopping in an insured battleship with 5% hull left and having an alt in a frig/destroyer explode the BS? Miner gets insurance payout on main and bounty on alt. Of course all ships and mods used would be produced from minerals they mined for free.



Nothing. They are free to do that, but they wont because that would invovle actually participating in the game and sitting at their keyboard for a significant amount of time.

If we assume that the average BS costs like 200mil for the ship + insurance and they get 120mil insurance, they'll also get 40 mil from the bounty. Of course if they make that all themselves they could have just sold the BS for 140 mil and been on their way.

I'm not too worried.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#72 - 2012-10-26 15:08:00 UTC
Use alt, start mutual fight at safe spot, grind bounty down, rinse, repeat.

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Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-10-26 15:08:11 UTC
I smell a rise in Trit prices Lol

And more whining from nul sec on the inequality of null sec mins and high sec mins Lol

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Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#74 - 2012-10-26 15:18:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Like I said let the procurer's begin rolling off the assembly line if they want to gank that and get bounty off that ship im sure it will be well worth it and a profitable venture 20% of procurer hull worth what??? 1 mining laser....some drones...a little ore and some t-1 mods...yeah....I see it all adds up now. And as poster above states those who do continue to mine will become even more rich because less competition. And just insurance alone will cover the cost of mods, at the moment I own several procurers and produce any mod I need. I hate to point this out but any good military organization has an equally good industry suppling themget rid of Industry and you get a broken system...ehm...null.
Dave stark
#75 - 2012-10-26 15:21:59 UTC
Robert De'Arneth wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Carlton Foster wrote:
Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.


does having a bounty stop concord showing up? if it doesn't then i might have to dust off my skiff, or bother training for the siege warfare link on my alt, or both.



It will not stop concord from coming. So dust off the skiff.


well to gank a skiff it'll have to be a pretty big bounty payout to make it worth their while.
Devon Krah'tor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2012-10-26 15:23:41 UTC
only slightly off topic: Its really too bad that the industrialists of new eden couldn't organize themselves. They could shut this ***** right down for lulz
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2012-10-26 15:24:30 UTC
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
I smell a rise in Trit prices Lol

And more whining from nul sec on the inequality of null sec mins and high sec mins Lol

Why? Its not like null sec mining is going to get any more dangerous.
Nanatoa
#78 - 2012-10-26 15:27:19 UTC
ITT: people who don't educate themselves about upcoming changes and will be in for quite a surprise (MadMuppet and Dave stark to name a couple)

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Toshiroma McDiesel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2012-10-26 15:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiroma McDiesel
baltec1 wrote:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
I smell a rise in Trit prices Lol

And more whining from nul sec on the inequality of null sec mins and high sec mins Lol

Why? Its not like null sec mining is going to get any more dangerous.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143033

btw, in there it was explained to me that belt mining in null is way too dangerous Lol

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1786553#post1786553

Edit: I was too stunned at the time considering who was saying it to tell him to stop mining afk, mine aligned, and watch local, lol

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#80 - 2012-10-26 15:31:16 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune
I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss

Its not that much. Say you place a 100 mil bounty on 50,000 miners. That bounty would be about the payout on killing an well fit exhumer. Total isk needed: 5 trillion. There are a few individuals with that much isk, and many alliances with it.

Even a 20 million bounty would cover the cost of the gank destroyers, making ganking the miner profitable. That would cost just 1 trillion for 50,000 miners.

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