These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Simple question to all the high sec miners out there

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-10-26 03:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Ignoring the issue of questioning who would actually be motivated enough to place all those bounties this interestingly raises the minimum payout for a gank on a Mackinaw whose pilot had a sufficient bounty pool to about 35-40mill (20% of hull cost + assuming all mods are lost and thus paid out at 20% of market value instead of dropping and being sold for full value as well as no salvage). An interesting proposition for any interested party, but that could be a lot of bounties to place.
Luc Chastot
#22 - 2012-10-26 03:48:54 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ignoring the issue of questioning who would actually be motivated enough to place all those bounties this interestingly raises the minimum payout for a gank on a Mackinaw whose pilot had a sufficient bounty pool to about 35-40mill (20% of hull cost + assuming all mods are lost and thus paid out at 20% of market value instead of dropping and being sold for full value as well as no salvage). An interesting proposition for any interested party, but that could be a lot of bounties to place.


Now the question is, can you gank a miner in highsec and still make a profit? If the answer is "yes", coming next year, we're gonna drown in miner tears.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#23 - 2012-10-26 03:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Luc Chastot wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ignoring the issue of questioning who would actually be motivated enough to place all those bounties this interestingly raises the minimum payout for a gank on a Mackinaw whose pilot had a sufficient bounty pool to about 35-40mill (20% of hull cost + assuming all mods are lost and thus paid out at 20% of market value instead of dropping and being sold for full value as well as no salvage). An interesting proposition for any interested party, but that could be a lot of bounties to place.


Now the question is, can you gank a miner in highsec and still make a profit? If the answer is "yes", coming next year, we're gonna drown in miner tears.

Of course, the profit will be from bounties that someone is going to pay if they think it's worth paying for.

You can, if you should chose, place a bounty on the miner yourself, kill him and collect.

Great system yes?

The new bit is where the miner can now put a bounty on YOU - AND sell the killrights - and EVERYONE is going to kill YOU.

Great system yes?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-10-26 07:03:10 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Theangryhobo wrote:
That does it. 500 mil ISK bounties it is.


Miners will mine themselves for your bounty.

Hop in a shuttle, gank with an alt, profit. Lol

How does one get one of these 500mil bounties anyway?


SHHHHHHHH! Damnit,you'll ruin it for everyone!
pussnheels
Viziam
#25 - 2012-10-26 07:14:05 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune
I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#26 - 2012-10-26 07:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
This all implies that you'll be able place bounties on people with positive security standings. Currently you cannot do this, and I don't recall reading that this rule was changed. Maybe I missed that part?

Edit: Oh wait, they did. WTF? "Also, bounties can now be placed on anyone, we’re removing the -1 security standing requirement currently in the bounty system."

Ok now that is patently stupid. Any jerkoff with his mom's credit card can now go out, sell a PLEX, and stick billion ISK bounties on people with 5.0 security standings just for laughs? Casus belli goes out the window entirely?

Sorry, but that's going to be a game breaker. As in mass unsubs. The entire EvE economy will going flying down a jet powered toilet faster than you can say "How much money is in Goonswarm's bank?"

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#27 - 2012-10-26 07:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned


Thus proving your crusade is not actually against AFK/Bot miners, but against anyone who won't bow down and give you money.
If it really was against AFK/Bot miners, you wouldn't be including the legit miners in your efforts. And (per your manifesto) would be giving a little longer than 5 secs to reply.


Edit: To the actual Op, I forgot to include this the first time, change to Procurer/Skiff. Fit at least 1 Stab (Though I often do that already if there are war decs on corp), continue to mine away like I do currently, keeping an eye on local, watching who is in the area with me, and warp off if I think a gank is going to happen.
Riyal
invidious Squid
#28 - 2012-10-26 08:25:33 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned

I hope you got acces to your daddy creditcard to buy plex/isk. Because it will cost you asmall fortune
I do hope you buy iskies and get caught tho idiotic teenage white trash is something this game can miss


You mean like the 20 billion invested in www.minerbumping.com already (people invested to suport the idea, and do not expect to see the isk again), placing bounties on miners would be more fun.

Now please continue to sell me ice at fabulously low prices, the bounty isk has to come from somewhere :)

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#29 - 2012-10-26 09:06:30 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:

lolz. No bounty. Everything you said made sense.

Except for what you said after "I think"....



Don't stick to your word? You are literally NCDotte

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Lolar55
Banana Toaster
#30 - 2012-10-26 09:38:16 UTC
I don't think this will pose any danger to miners.You will run out of money before anything that feels close to danger happens to them and their wallets.
Nanatoa
#31 - 2012-10-26 09:48:02 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Nanatoa wrote:
In addition to bumping, come Retribution we will start placing bounties on any miners refusing to buy a mining permit.
Don't say you weren't warned


Thus proving your crusade is not actually against AFK/Bot miners, but against anyone who won't bow down and give you money.
If it really was against AFK/Bot miners, you wouldn't be including the legit miners in your efforts. And (per your manifesto) would be giving a little longer than 5 secs to reply.



We have to keep repeating this for some reason. The New Order of Highsec is for all miners. Every miner needs a New Order mining permit; the permit is not a permit to be afk or bot - in fact, even miners with a permit will have to ask permission to go afk for a bio break, as per The Code.
AFK/botting is grounds for losing a mining permit, not for getting one.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Insidious.
#32 - 2012-10-26 10:02:37 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Who are these mystical people that are going to put large enough bounties on miners to matter? You know a bounty doesn't give people kill rights, right?

No but it will make ganking profitable.

OH NOES.... Did I just say that out aloud?

THREAD WARNING:
First miner to type a response more than 10 lines will have a bounty placed on them!
First nullmoanbear to type a response more than 3 lines will have triple bounty placed on them!


I'm a null-moan-bear
Here, Have a Haiku Touval
Thanks for the bounty.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-10-26 11:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Carlton Foster wrote:
Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.



Just makes suicide ganking mining barges profitable again.

Biggest ganking buff ever.

brb
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2012-10-26 12:19:24 UTC
So loking forwards to december.
Jasper Dark
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-10-26 12:24:39 UTC
Carlton Foster wrote:
Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.


Did I miss a memo? How can you post a bounty on someone who does not have a -ve sec status....?
Nanatoa
#36 - 2012-10-26 12:29:43 UTC
Jasper Dark wrote:
Did I miss a memo? How can you post a bounty on someone who does not have a -ve sec status....?

I don't know if you've missed a memo, but apparently you did miss a dev blog

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2012-10-26 12:29:44 UTC
Jasper Dark wrote:
Carlton Foster wrote:
Come Retribution, how will having a bounty on your mining character effect your mining? Will it change how or if you mine?

I'm just curious how the new bounty system might effect mining in high sec.


Did I miss a memo? How can you post a bounty on someone who does not have a -ve sec status....?

Word on the street is you can put them on anyone from miners to gankers to bad posters.
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-10-26 12:30:39 UTC
It won't.
Miners gonna mine.
Deal with it Cool
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#39 - 2012-10-26 12:31:19 UTC
Conservative estimations get me to about 50bil ISK investment for placing a 20mil bounty on every ice-miner online at 20:00.

That's a lot of money (half a titan), but there are also people that can afford that easily.

We will see Pirate
Nanatoa
#40 - 2012-10-26 12:33:44 UTC
Sheynan wrote:
Conservative estimations get me to about 50bil ISK investment for placing a 20mil bounty on every ice-miner online at 20:00.

That's a lot of money (half a titan), but there are also people that can afford that easily.

We will see Pirate


Well James 315 has already raised about half that, and that's without any real 'purpose' for the isk. No doubt he would be able to double it easily if he announced he'll be using it to distribute bounties

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011