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I want to play as an out and out explorer, but can't find a sensible ship/fitting...
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Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-10-25 16:31:50 UTC
The Imicus is pretty limited as a scanning platform right now. It will get a substantial improvement in December though. There are, unfortunately, few ships that will make you immune to a determined ganker so you pretty much accept that as part of the cost of doing business in Eve. However, ship kills and podding in highsec are comparatively uncommon unless you're mining or hauling high-value freight.

If you can live without the Imicus scanning bonus, some Gallente alternatives for highsec are:

Catalyst: Plenty of high slots for guns along with the probe launcher. It's a bit limited on mids but highsec mag sites might be worth skipping. Cheap enough that a good hit on a radar site can buy a half-dozen. Can handle 2- and 3-rated combat sites.

Vexor: Worth training Drones V to be effective. Again, somewhat limited in mids but you get more from clearing 3/10 combat sites than you do from highsec mag sites. Nice stepping stone to the Myrm and Domi.

Gallente and Amarr ships are most frequently armor tanked. So for PVE exploration you'll generally want a combination of repair and rat-specific resistance modules in your low slots.

Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#22 - 2012-10-25 16:35:46 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
highonpop wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
Should not have trained Gallente ships

exploration is just that, you go out and explore on your own.


Why the gallente hate?

i love my pve proteus. If fit correctly gallente is just as good as any other race.

OP a lot of your fitting issues will be solved when you train more skills. as far as power and CPU


the imicus is not meant to be an exlorations hip, but just a scanner. No matter what race, you will not find a frigate that has a scan bonus that is also capable of clearing the npc's out of the site. For that you will need a larger ship or a t3 cruiser.

As I understand it, the Proteus is one of the best and most popular ships for exploration.

Edit: Imicus with 3 Hobgoblin II's is ok for some of the easier sites.


Honestly you could make a decent living JUST doing radar sites in an Imicus.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-10-25 16:37:16 UTC
Jocasta Nehlim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-10-25 16:48:18 UTC
Well...two of the radar sites I found yesterday were completely empty and I got podded shortly after (0.6). So the profit side hasn't worked out for me yet Sad
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-10-25 16:57:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
The Gila works exceptionally well as an exploration platform too (but more expensive and versatile than the vexor).

Your other Option is to use multiple ship hulls
Tech1 Scanning Frigate or Covert Ops to locate things
Tech 1 Combat/Attack Frigate or Cruiser to clear the hostiles
Noctis & Mining Barge & Gas Mining Ship to collect the goodies

The Gila just takes you from 5 ships to 3.
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3x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II

Analyzer II
Codebreaker II
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II

Salvager II
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
3x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Javelin Heavy Assault Missile

2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Ogre II x5


[edit]
Yes, I realise as a new player you will not have the skills or $ to fly/fit this example, but it shows you what areas and skills you would need to train in to fly this particular ship well (It does well in Wormholes, Missioning and PvP so is very versatile)
Also the Shield Drones aren't there for you, this is an MMO ... support your corp/fleet mates by repairing them.

In December CCP will release the [Mining Frigate], so that and a Gila would be all you would need for ANY exploration site.

Your best option, would be to find a quite area of 0.5 space (3-5 linked systems) where at least 1 of them has a station, search
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Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#26 - 2012-10-25 17:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternal Montage
Jocasta Nehlim wrote:
Well...two of the radar sites I found yesterday were completely empty and I got podded shortly after (0.6). So the profit side hasn't worked out for me yet Sad


It sounds like you're having two problems.

1. You're not finding decent sites
2. You're getting podded when you shouldn't be

To find sites use the map as I said earlier and find the most deserted corners of highsec to explore in. Move around a lot.

As for your other problem I'm a bit perplexed... Are you being podded or just getting your ship blown up? Why are you being podded? Why are you getting ships blown up? Are you aggressing a player? Are you accidentally stealing from a player? Are you aggressing a non aggressible object, like an acceleration gate or something? Are you being concorded? You must be doing something to cause yourself getting podded, it doesn't happen without reason and trust me, other players have NO reason to suicide gank you so its not that. Are you getting a box that comes up and says "Caution! Dangerous Action!" or something like that?

We'll sort this out.

Edit: Is your ship being blown up by rats? If that's the case you're probably just fitting it wrong.
Jocasta Nehlim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-10-25 17:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jocasta Nehlim
Only been podded once yesterday, by an idiot in HiSec.

I was in the map screen, scanning and by the time I closed the map view I'd lost my shields and hull and he was demanding 30 million (Current balance 700,000). I hadn't done anything to cause the aggro, was just orbiting a moon.

I've taken to warping across a system and placing a Location Marker along the warp path and warping back to it. Lurking in deadspace seems the safest bet until I can fit cloaking :)

As for rats and the Imicus, I have Probe Launcher and a Laser in my high, Codebreaker I and T2 Shield Booster in mid; I guess I need advice for the low fitting/relevant training, though. ;)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-10-25 17:12:43 UTC
Jocasta Nehlim wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
Should not have trained Gallente ships


Imicus is a Gallente ship. What is a comparable Amarr ship for exploration, do you know?


Each race has a frigate that is bonused to scanning, right click - show info is key.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-10-25 17:19:48 UTC
Jocasta Nehlim wrote:
Only been podded once yesterday, by an idiot in HiSec.

I was in the map screen, scanning and by the time I closed the map view I'd lost my shields and hull and he was demanding 30 million (Current balance 700,000). I hadn't done anything to cause the aggro, was just orbiting a moon.


Are you sure you were in highsec? If he attacked you in highsec without provocation, he would have been destroyed by concord well before he could demand ISK from you. Concord response times are max somewhere around 30 seconds (0.5)

Check the kill mail (Alt-A -> Combat log), what system was it?
Jocasta Nehlim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-10-25 17:27:37 UTC
System was Ami, 0.4 so I guess Concord don't help out there, then. He was the only other player in the system at the time, too.
Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#31 - 2012-10-25 17:34:57 UTC
Well, sounds like he was an idiot for trying to ransom a brand new player... You should stay out of lowsec nonetheless. People don't cut anyone any breaks in this game. I'll PM you in game when I get home and send you some suggested fits/locations to explore. Sounds like you've almost got it, you just need a bit of help tweaking your setup.
Jocasta Nehlim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-10-25 17:42:33 UTC
Thanks for your help, everyone!
Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-10-25 17:45:48 UTC
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-10-25 18:01:31 UTC
Jocasta Nehlim wrote:
System was Ami, 0.4 so I guess Concord don't help out there, then. He was the only other player in the system at the time, too.


Yeah, that's lowsec. Highsec is 1.0-0.5 inclusive. In 0.4 and below anyone's a fair target, the only 'protection' are gate and station guns.

As for ships, the Imicus is perfectly viable for all highsec profession sites (magnetometric and radar), the drones will take care of the rats, you just may need to kite a bit to stay ahead of them
Jocasta Nehlim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-10-25 18:48:28 UTC
^ Would it be worth slotting an Afterburner, then? Speed seems to be an issue with the Imicus. My rat problem stemmed from not being able to close the gap to optimal range.
Eternal Montage
Myriad Sequence
#36 - 2012-10-25 19:36:40 UTC
Jocasta Nehlim wrote:
^ Would it be worth slotting an Afterburner, then? Speed seems to be an issue with the Imicus. My rat problem stemmed from not being able to close the gap to optimal range.


Hell yes. It will increase your maneuverability and effectiveness of your tank while moving. Also your main source of damage in the Imicus is its drones. Skill them up. Guns are an afterthought, though rails are probably a better choice than blasters (or long range lasers if you're dead set on sticking with lasers)
Yuna Talie-Kuo
Laborantem Societatis
#37 - 2012-10-25 20:23:33 UTC
Seems you've gone through quite a bit for a new player.

I remember when I first tried the exploration business. Never got podded, but lost a few ships because of fool-heartiness.

As you've started to grow and learn, you have several options:

For a ship, a good solid way to go forward is a covert ops frigate (In the case of Gallente, it would the Helios). Their bonuses for scanning, whether it be an enemy or a site, they make a substantial difference.

If you want to go ALL OUT, as in most expensive equipment possible, it would be said racial covert ops frigate, Sisters Scan Probe launcher, and Sister Core Scanner Probes.

As for your rats... Drones have been mentioned, so that's all I can say.

Training up the Astrometric skills would be a good idea, as some sites like to stay under the radar a lot.

I don't always do shit. But when I do, it's usually worth doing.
Jocasta Nehlim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-10-25 21:12:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jocasta Nehlim
I spent the better part of the training arc dumping most of my skill-training into Astrometrics, Archaeology, Salvage and now just waiting on Astro IV so I can get a level or two in Astro Pinpointing.

My first few days have been dramatic, yes. But I keep coming back for more :) Possibly masochistic?

The podding incident struck me as a bit pointless. Without having too much of 12-year-old-on-X-Box-Live-YOU-KILLED-ME rant, he gained nothing from it; but I understand that pointless griefing is a risk of the EVE Universe.

I'm definitely aiming for the Sisters Probe/Launcher, and will probably go back to my racial options for future ninja-like behaviour. I mentioned the Arbitrator earlier and think aiming for the Curse after that; fits where I want to take this character.

Many of problems come from (the biggie) inexperience and focusing way too hard on the exploration skills and not on Armour and relevant offensive buffs. Glad I was able to get some really good advice from the community on this, though. Would've ended up penniless with only my pod left otherwise ;)

You guys are so much nicer than the DayZ crowd...so much bile in that community :D
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-10-25 21:38:26 UTC
Jocasta Nehlim wrote:
You guys are so much nicer than the DayZ crowd...so much bile in that community :D


we taught them everything THEY know.
Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-10-26 10:18:01 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
highonpop wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
Should not have trained Gallente ships

exploration is just that, you go out and explore on your own.


Why the gallente hate?


The Gallente are the disgusting scum.

Mind you, this is not the role playing section of the forum. If you fail to get out of your role when posting here you're bad at a) role playing and b) posting .


On topic: Vexor is at least as good as the Arbitrator for exploration. The tech 2 variant Ishtar at least used to be the favored ship for exploration among people that specialized in that area.
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