Skill Discussions

You obviously have never flown a real plane. Maybe you have fired a gun but not many differrntl types of guns./ Yes you can after time and some learning fly it or shoot it but it takes a bit longer to be an expert in it. Like in real life.

for example You drive yes? Left hand drive most likely? Right hand side of the road. you learned that wy and again i am guessing. So you goto another country. Are you now telling me you can just take to it like a duck to water or does it take time to get in the flow??? thats a simple thing to put to you not like flying a plane or firing a gun.

Its the same with cars you might learn on a manual or auto. Quite different. Same with a simple low spec car vs a high spec car where you need more training.

I dont expect the game to change I am just saying how I would have done it to make it true in my mind.

Try and have an open mind yea?

Sure, there are new things to learn and get used to. But it's not nearly like starting from scratch. Safe following distance, how wide to turn, how to park, stopping distance... those are all skills you learn from experience that apply regardless of what side of the road you're driving on. They don't need to be relearned. An adult American in the UK (or vice versa) is probably going to drive a lot better than a kid who's sitting in the driver's seat for the first time.

For what it's worth. Sable is crosstrained to just about anything non-capital. But I do have two other characters that are trained for one set of racial skills, one Minmatar, one Amarr. I do enjoy playing all three of them.

The way eve is set up now gives us the choice to do something like that, the changes you were suggesting would have severely cut in to that choice.

Wait...

You're a minmatar pilot and against cross training? Minmatar is the race notorious for requiring cross training from missiles, gunnery, shield and armor. I just got done spewing on exactly this in another thread. Minmatar has versatility compared to the other races. Also minmatar has awesome bonuses in pirate ships, silly to not use them or use your missile and shield skills by training tengu and drake. Hell if you find you like armor fits you should be able to explore gallante and amarr.

Also, touching on pirate ships....messing with cross training would mess with pirate ships, which would mess with prices and bpc stuff, which then shakes exploration, which then awakens bears, and baby Jesus cries. You get it...

I reckon you best think again.
A truly frightful idea you done proposed.

Exactly not like in real life. It took me years to get really good at shooting my first rifle (a Mosin Nagant from the '30s). It took me a couple hours to be just as good with my AR, and takes me no time at all to familiarize myself with other bolt actions (couple shots to get used to the rifle and you're set).



But it doesn't take longer to learn to drive on the right than it did to learn to drive on the right in the first place. It takes a day or two to stop being mildly unnerved by people coming at you the wrong way, but then you get used to it.

Your system would be like saying that knowing how to drive left-hand-drive makes it harder to learn how to drive right-hand-drive than not knowing how to drive at all.


Oh, and the FAA says you're wrong about planes. Getting a new Type rating (for jumbo jets and the like) takes a hell of a lot less time than your Pilot's License (let alone your commercial pilot's license). If, as you seem to think, it is harder to learn to use a new plane than it was to learn to fly in the first place, why would the FAA allow people to qualify on new planes so much quicker?

Dude, you have some balls, i´ll give you that...

There's already plenty of room for specialization in Eve. You have as much skill in a particular role as the time you decide to spend training for it. If you train mining skills, that's time you're not training combat skills. Time you'll never get back.

As a representative of casual players, I can say that your suggestion would be a big aggravation to those of us who want a variety of game experiences (the ADD crowd). Now if we want to train anything outside our possibly-not-well-thought-out chosen role, we have to decide whether to be inefficient about it, or drink the kool-aid and start rolling alts.

I can't really think of anyone this would actually benefit, other than giving the folks who like to specialize the satisfaction of forcing everyone else to play the game their way.

Does not make sense. There is already a similar feature in game. For example, for the first year of playing, I trained amarr ship skills and the ones that helped me fly a laser boat better. When I switched to caldari, it was like starting all over, because I had poor missile skills, no shield skills, and had no caladari race specific skills. The skills that helped were only the very basic skills, like engineering and my capacitor skills. My 5 ranks in mechanic didn't help much. I did have 4 ranks in BC which helped to fly a drake, but I've seen a few developer posts that they are getting rid of generalized destroyer and BC skills.

There is no reason it should take LONGER, but there is reason some skills won't transfer over, such as having spent so much time training lasers, I was as good as a starting pilot at flying caldari ships. They could split motion prediction and trajectory analysis up to deal with hybrids, projectiles and lasers, then reduce the rank of it, but new players already have tons of skills they have to learn.

Maybe you are thinking that our characters had a life before we started to play them. As you well know, before the x2 training for new players, we filled out those character creation profile things, which asked you questions and set your stats and gave you basic skills. That represented our character's life before we get control, and that feature has been lost :(. It meant that some pilots started off with a few ranks in amarr frigate or what not, meaning cross training to fly a tier 3 minmatar frigate did take longer, or training to fly minmatar cruiser would take longer than amarr.

:edit: yes it would make some people stop playing. One of the good things about EVE is if the developers change ship balance, and you have to switch to a different race ship, you will be able to fly that ship as well, and in the same time, as any other player with your skills. Remember when minmatar ships sucked donkey balls? How would you feel after playing a minmatar for 1 year to suddenly realize "these ships stink!!" Remember when hybrids did less damage, and had a 10 second reload? Wouldn't it suck to be pigeon-holed as a Gallente player to be drone based, when you were under the impression that gallente could use hybrid, or that hybrid were good? Sure, all these have been fixed to an extent now, but forcing new players to make that decision is stupid. It is hard enough for new players to figure out tracking vs rotational velocity, and optimal + falloff vs range.

Probably not, but that ship flew nearly a decade ago. It just doesn't fit with the Eve ethos. This game has a ton of potential "specialties" defined by all the various game-defined and community-defined professions/activities, and they change all the time based on rules changes and player-driven movements. In short, the sandbox nature of the game means that people need to be able to be flexible.


Sure you can, but if you do, those are skill points not being put into your chosen "specialization". You're as specialized as you choose to be.


Most likely.