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Lin-Young Borovskova Doomheim Likes received: 1,145	#161 - 2012-11-02 12:44:45 UTC Dar Manic wrote: You want PVP, go to null sec. You want PVP, go to low sec. You want PVP, go to WH. You don't want PVP, go to hi-sec. Well unfortunately you'd be doing pvp in high sec no matter if it's killing ships or playing 0.01isk wars, scanning sites, missioning, FW, mining, producing, hauling... brb

Xpaulusx

Naari LLC

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#162 - 2012-11-02 13:13:55 UTC

I don't see whats so hard to understand. Eve is about combat & warfare which means you undock, your at risk plain & simple. Dosen't matter high low null WH those rules of engagement apply everywhere and CCP is not about to change them. So toughen up, fly smart, don't fly what you can't afford to lose or find another game.

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Ioci Bad Girl Posse Likes received: 619	#163 - 2012-11-02 14:37:47 UTC If it's all about the PvP and that's the core of the game, why so much scraping the bottom of the barrel? R.I.P. Vile Rat

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Jenn aSide Worthless Carebears The Initiative. Likes received: 16,192	#164 - 2012-11-02 15:51:31 UTC Ioci wrote: If it's all about the PvP and that's the core of the game, why so much scraping the bottom of the barrel? That doesn't make any sense, ask the question against and use more words this time.

Dar Manic

Dirt Road Services

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#165 - 2012-11-02 16:27:12 UTC | Edited by: Dar Manic

Ioci wrote:

If it's all about the PvP and that's the core of the game, why so much scraping the bottom of the barrel?

It's not all about just PvP. People play games with semantics (look that one up!!) but it's not about just PvP.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

Dar Manic

Dirt Road Services

Likes received: 79

#166 - 2012-11-02 16:28:34 UTC

Xpaulusx wrote:

Your bold part is the part you have wrong. It's not just combat and warfare. Plenty of people are playing Eve, as we speak, who are not the least bit interested in that part. It's not what they enjoy, why they play, spend their money, etc. It's what you think Eve is about.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

Dar Manic

Dirt Road Services

Likes received: 79

#167 - 2012-11-02 16:30:09 UTC

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

Dar Manic wrote:

You want PVP, go to null sec.
You want PVP, go to low sec.
You want PVP, go to WH.
You don't want PVP, go to hi-sec.

Well unfortunately you'd be doing pvp in high sec no matter if it's killing ships or playing 0.01isk wars, scanning sites, missioning, FW, mining, producing, hauling...

Wrong. You're playing semantics with PvP.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

TheGunslinger42

All Web Investigations

Likes received: 3,013

#168 - 2012-11-02 16:34:29 UTC

Dar Manic wrote:

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

Dar Manic wrote:

You want PVP, go to null sec.
You want PVP, go to low sec.
You want PVP, go to WH.
You don't want PVP, go to hi-sec.

Well unfortunately you'd be doing pvp in high sec no matter if it's killing ships or playing 0.01isk wars, scanning sites, missioning, FW, mining, producing, hauling...

Wrong. You're playing semantics with PvP.

Do you understand what "PVP" stands for, mate?

Hint: It's "player vs player". Not specifically combat. Anything you do that competes with another player is pvp. EVE is a PVP game.

Roderick Grey

Koenigsbergers

Likes received: 508

#169 - 2012-11-02 16:58:17 UTC

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Dar Manic wrote:

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

Dar Manic wrote:

You want PVP, go to null sec.
You want PVP, go to low sec.
You want PVP, go to WH.
You don't want PVP, go to hi-sec.

Well unfortunately you'd be doing pvp in high sec no matter if it's killing ships or playing 0.01isk wars, scanning sites, missioning, FW, mining, producing, hauling...

Wrong. You're playing semantics with PvP.

Do you understand what "PVP" stands for, mate?

Hint: It's "player vs player". Not specifically combat. Anything you do that competes with another player is pvp. EVE is a PVP game.

See, now the mistake you've made is that you think he actually has enough knowledge of the English language to understand the literal definition.

In his mind PvP means "u dun got 2 shot da ships o7"

“We could learn a lot from crayons; some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, while others bright, some have weird names, but they all have learned to live together in the same box.” - Special needs division of Fcon.

Natsett Amuinn

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#170 - 2012-11-02 17:23:26 UTC | Edited by: Natsett Amuinn

When people aren't getting blown up in high sec, it impacts other areas of the game. People who don't want pvp in high sec either don't understand this, or they don't care.

You directly impact me living in null. No matter what you do in high sec, you are directly impacting how I play the game. Everything you put on the market, directly impacts me, everytime you generate more ISK it impacts me.

I do not live in high sec.

You can impact me, and you don't want me to impact you. EVE should never work that way.

PvP is the only tool that CCP has given players to have an impact on high sec.

Believe it or not, some of us actually give a **** about other parts of the game that don't involve blowing people up, but require you to get blown up. The market and economy are no small aspect of EVE, and many of you want CCP to destroy that gameplay for a lot of us; some of you unknowingly.

Right now we have a real economy in EVE. It lives, it breathes, it can be manipulated in same aspects, and can be speculated on. It is this way because nowhere in EVE are you immune from getting blown up by another player. The PvE content is not sufficient in causing enough destruction to allow the market to work as it does.

No pvp in high sec would result in a marekt like you can find in any other MMO, an auction house economy. I do not want to play that kind of game; I would be playing WoW if I did. I do not want to play an EVE were plex goes up into the billions of ISK because people were able to farm PvE content endlessly without ever losing the billion ISK ship they're flying.

The more CCP does to interfere with PvP in high sec, the harder they make it to slow mining operations and mission running in high sec, the worse they make my gameplay experience.

You have no business complaining about losing a ship you can afford to replace.

You have no business complaining about losing a shiip you can't afford to replace.

Some of you keep talking about PvP will destroy EVE; no it won't. It hasn't in 9 years. There is no reason for EVE, which has steadily grown sinse '03 to make high sec safer. CCP created an MMO with a particular vision, they need to keep that in mind when they make changes to mechanics.

CCP especially needs to remember that they have MANY fans that play EVE because of that vision; many for nearly a decade. People are not leaving EVE in droves due to PvP in high sec, and CCP needs to start looking at other ways to attract and retain people in EVE that doesn't involve nerfing the **** out of high sec PvP.

Things like WiS, and station exploration, the PoS revamp, ring mining. These things are what EVE needs; not less PvP in high sec.

Splitting the world in two did not benefit UO.

JustAnotherPlaceHolder

Content Providers

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#171 - 2012-11-02 17:31:23 UTC

Thor Kerrigan wrote:

Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?

EVE is clearly fueled by competition and cannot survive without it. You don't need to spend 15$ per month to look at nebulae and 3D ship models.

Anyone who uses "forcing me to do this" in their argument intrigues me; I have no idea why they are spending money on this game in the first place. The only thing really forcing you to anything is your own brain. If you are tired of getting your progress slowed, it's nobody's fault but your own that you do not use the tools given to everyone.

If you don't like shooting ships, that's your problem. Just don't try telling me those who shoot ships have an unfair advantage when it is clearly an advantage. In fact, anything you do in this game gives you an advantage over those who don't.

That is just as crazy as people moving to a different country and asking for laws to accommodate their personal needs or beliefs.

Clearly, this game is not for you. The complexities of propaganda management and forum warrioring are clearly beyond your intellectual capacity. If you don't have the intelligence necessary to navigate the categorized ignorance of trolls, you're never going to amount to much.

I recommend you spend some time reading books like Talking Right, which cover this sort of communication and the importance of choosing trigger words.

Dar Manic

Dirt Road Services

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#172 - 2012-11-02 17:38:10 UTC

Roderick Grey wrote:

TheGunslinger42 wrote:

Dar Manic wrote:

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

Dar Manic wrote:

You want PVP, go to null sec.
You want PVP, go to low sec.
You want PVP, go to WH.
You don't want PVP, go to hi-sec.

Well unfortunately you'd be doing pvp in high sec no matter if it's killing ships or playing 0.01isk wars, scanning sites, missioning, FW, mining, producing, hauling...

Wrong. You're playing semantics with PvP.

Do you understand what "PVP" stands for, mate?

Hint: It's "player vs player". Not specifically combat. Anything you do that competes with another player is pvp. EVE is a PVP game.

See, now the mistake you've made is that you think he actually has enough knowledge of the English language to understand the literal definition.

In his mind PvP means "u dun got 2 shot da ships o7"

yeah. gotz meh tharz!!

Go ask on a random forum board of gamers to play a PvP game where you fight with selling and trading. They'd laugh you out in a heartbeat. You are using the general term PvP to mean something specific for your own needs.

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

Lord Zim

Gallente Federation

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#173 - 2012-11-02 17:40:16 UTC

Dar Manic wrote:

Go ask on a random forum board of gamers to play a PvP game where you fight with selling and trading. They'd laugh you out in a heartbeat. You are using the general term PvP to mean something specific for your own needs.

Go on a random forum board of gamers and ask them what isk sinks are in eve, and they'll go "well it's when you lose a ship".

Just because tons of people thinks the same thing, doesn't make them right.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Dar Manic

Dirt Road Services

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#174 - 2012-11-02 17:42:20 UTC

Lord Zim wrote:

Dar Manic wrote:

yeah... you're right. ;)

I just don't understand null sec players.

**Please note: **Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up. Thank you.

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Ryhss Likes received: 226	#175 - 2012-11-02 22:51:19 UTC 1 You will play the way I tell you too.... I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"