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"Forcing People to Leave the Game" and "Forcing a Specific Playstyle"

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-10-27 17:49:02 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
CCp apparently considered the cost disparity between the attacking ship and the attacked ship was simply too high.

You mean CCP realized that no matter how long they waited, people in hisec just would not stop crying about having to change their fits from maximum yield/cargospace to tanking, so they pre-tanked the ships so people could go back to fitting for maximum yield again.

Kitty Bear wrote:
"The game changed. Adapt or Die"

We did adapt, by moving on to bigger targets. Apparently CCP is saying "okay, we're really serious now" and are nerfing anything even remotely linkable with PVP. The only step they can take beyond this, to nerf hisec PVP, is to basically disallow any aggression against another player whatsoever.

Kitty Bear wrote:
If CCP actually listened to whiney GD care/nulbear threadnaughts, the game would not be the best "Sci-Fi spacegame ever" anymore, it would be the worst, and probably closed.

I guess you haven't seen the direction the game has been taken lately, then. It's literally been carebear fix after carebear fix, as carebears whine about it.

Countdown until even bumping someone is deemed an exploit or turned into something which makes the bumper a suspect in 3... 2... 1...


Devblog says your wrong.

Your final point is just baseless rhetorical rumourmongering. If it's actually even a point at all .......
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-10-27 18:00:02 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Devblog says your wrong.

Your final point is just baseless rhetorical rumourmongering. If it's actually even a point at all .......

You mean the devblog written by the same people who've said that the killrights are such a boon to bountyhunters, and that the crimewatch 2.0 is solely to make things simpler? The same people who've had absolutely no issues with correcting me on minor faults in my understanding on when killrights were triggered (now whether that's a misunderstanding on my part because the devblog on crimewatch 2.0 was badly phrased, or if me pointing that out caused a "oh **** we hadn't thought of that we'd better fix that" reaction at CCP is another matter), but have been completely silent whenever I've said that the changes are squarely CCP's way of going as close to removing PVP from hisec without actually removing it mechanically?

Yeah, it might come as a shock to you, but there is such a thing as reading between the lines. The mining barge changes were put into production because mining people were completely unable to fit their ships to be able to tank enough as to make it unprofitable for a single person to gank it (and it was of course dressed in "hurr tiericide of mining barges", which they of course completely ****** up by making the mack the new go-to ship for most people), crimewatch 2.0 goes directly at the throat of people who canflip and scoop up the content of a ganked ship, and killrights goes directly at the throat of people who do anything remotely connected to ganking (...and for some reason, pointing pods in lowsec vOv).

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#123 - 2012-10-27 21:26:37 UTC
Whenever I explain Eve to my friends who have played other games, I always tell them "you probably won't like it, this game is not for everybody" and unfortunately, most of the time it is true. That said, I can't play any of their boring, meaningless theme park games.

No good deed goes unpunished
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2012-10-27 21:32:09 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
Whenever I explain Eve to my friends who have played other games, I always tell them "you probably won't like it, this game is not for everybody" and unfortunately, most of the time it is true. That said, I can't play any of their boring, meaningless theme park games.


I liked Roller Coaster Tycoon, the inevitable colossal ride failure that kills people is awesome

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#125 - 2012-10-27 21:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Zagdul wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
The belligerent undesirables will be pushed out and then the game will be for everyone. Smile

What if I want to be belligerent and undesirable in my sandbox?

You are belligerent and undesirable in our sandbox.

I've certainly never pegged you for desirable and unbelligerent.

Is that you Otard?

what's it like being a puppet now zag?
do you still scream at the pilots who jump into a red fleet after they're told to jump into a red fleet?
do you still ball at the people telling you what to do to get out of the mess?
does the clan corp field more guys on urgent CTA's than every other FA corp or is it still the same? half stay ratting?
do you know how to attack an SBU yet?
do you know what happens when the timer goes out yet?

No. I am not Otard. But I was there.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Zero Audier
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2012-10-27 21:56:13 UTC
Azumi Zimu wrote:
"Progress" in this game to me is training skills. I can do that while not logged in at all.

Problem?

Keep up the busywork tryhards Cool


What is progress? Out here, progress is numbers.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2012-10-27 22:06:00 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
You don't need to spend 15$ per month to look at nebulae and 3D ship models.

Of course I do.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2012-10-27 22:07:23 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
You don't need to spend 15$ per month to look at nebulae and 3D ship models.

Of course I do.


No you don't! Just do the 3 month sub and it goes down to $12 a month Big smile

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Damsel in Distress
The Scope
#129 - 2012-10-27 22:22:02 UTC
I am forced to live in highsec because carebears keep screwing the risk/reward to their direction an no nullsec corp wants me and without an alliance, highsec is way more profitable as a newb.

I hate how their forcing there playstyle onto me.

CCP please stop the high sec zealots.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#130 - 2012-10-27 22:32:10 UTC
Damsel in Distress wrote:
I am forced to live in highsec because carebears keep screwing the risk/reward to their direction an no nullsec corp wants me and without an alliance, highsec is way more profitable as a newb.

I hate how their forcing there playstyle onto me.

CCP please stop the high sec zealots.

You ungrateful woman!!

Highsec has come to your rescue thousands, no MILLIONS of times.

And yet you still manage to get captured!!!

CCP can't fix stupid.

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Gris X
xDECOYx
DECOY
#131 - 2012-10-27 22:36:23 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:


That is just as crazy as people moving to a different country and asking for laws to accommodate their personal needs or beliefs.

Agreed...
Things would be so much better if people could instead freely move to countries that represent best their beliefs, and just settle there... then natural selection would run its course...
Wait isn't it like that in the Eve universe?
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#132 - 2012-10-28 00:40:15 UTC
Damsel in Distress wrote:
I am forced to live in highsec because carebears keep screwing the risk/reward to their direction an no nullsec corp wants me and without an alliance, highsec is way more profitable as a newb.

I hate how their forcing there playstyle onto me.

CCP please stop the high sec zealots.


God your ugly, they need a bag hat option for you. Shocked

No one is forcing you to do anything. You choose to play the game how you want to play it.

and bad troll is bad 0/10

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Lutin Ballista
Ballista Investment Corp
#133 - 2012-10-30 08:47:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lutin Ballista
Thor Kerrigan wrote:


Lutin Ballista wrote:

Perhaps, shock/horror they play the game for different reasons to you. Why should your way be the right way?


"The right way" is the way the game allows you to play. It's one thing to question balance and it is another to claim your 15$ per month supports your argument.

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Forgive me but if you are suggesting that the game isn't set up for industrialists then you clearly need to learn what a lot of new aspects about this game. I always presumed factories, research, PI etc were all elements of the game rather than mindless PVP. I'd suggest that the economics of this game is the sole reason why there is PVP.

Thor Kerrigan wrote:

Tali Ambraelle wrote:

This is not a game about pvp, it is about a sandbox.


To claim you can play this game completely devoid of human interaction (a.k.a. pvp-less) is quite presumptuous.
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To claim the alternative is also presumptuous don't you think?

Damsel in Distress wrote:


I hate how their forcing there playstyle onto me.

CCP please stop the high sec zealots.


Funny I think the same thing about PVP mad kids... all they want to do is blow things up and screw the game in that direction. CCP please stop the PVP zealots Lol
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-10-30 11:25:48 UTC
I really like to go bowhunting, but it's unfair that the government gives other hunters a permit for the forest I'm hunting in. Nerf compound bows.

Ok, serious time; Regardless of a players feelings on the matter, I am still going to make poop in their not-actually-a-sandbox (highsec). They can also make poopy on my sandcastle by adapting.

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ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2012-10-30 11:36:24 UTC
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Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-10-30 11:38:02 UTC
I would love to see a Pirate threat level ~1-10~ in Null sec. This Threat level indicates how strong and aggressive the NPC pirates are. at Threat level 10 the Pirates will start to siege POS's like a normal alliance would ~Basically like a incursion on a Pos~. At around 4-6 the rats will start to form gate camps on that system, with fast locking webs and scrams making it hard for people of that system to move around.
Based on the threat level the rats would have better tank and firepower.

The way to keep the threat level low would be to have a set group that rats and clears up plex's and such, each rat killed and objective done would help reduce the threat level.

Because of the increased rats, rewards would be much higher based on strength of the rats making for good rewards for ratters.
The increased rats would also provide a lot of low quality mods that can be reprocessed into raw minerals in which would help the industry side of null sec.

Now null-secers can recruit new members that may only know how to rat into the corp and slowly introduce them to PvP.
Now High-secers can have a decent viable reason to go to null sec.

Now null sec will have tons of more players and a lot of people can work together instead of bashing each others playstyle.

I am full of energy drinks atm so leave me alone!

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#137 - 2012-10-30 13:25:41 UTC
Lutin Ballista wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:

"The right way" is the way the game allows you to play. It's one thing to question balance and it is another to claim your 15$ per month supports your argument.


Forgive me but if you are suggesting that the game isn't set up for industrialists then you clearly need to learn what a lot of new aspects about this game. I always presumed factories, research, PI etc were all elements of the game rather than mindless PVP. I'd suggest that the economics of this game is the sole reason why there is PVP.


The game is set up for industrialists to go boom unless they have half a brain, really. Successfully evading other players is PVP, and thus discussing the balancing behind it makes sense. Claiming that "being forced" to dodge other players is against the EULA a.k.a. "griefing" is silly. It's part of the chosen path, a path where ships are weak in ship-to-ship combat.

Lutin Ballista wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:

To claim you can play this game completely devoid of human interaction (a.k.a. pvp-less) is quite presumptuous.


To claim the alternative is also presumptuous don't you think?


Please tell me how you can play this game without interacting with another human bein- oh... did you just use the market? Yep that's PVP. If you are going to attempt to sound clever, at least try to support your claim with an argument, yes?
Ryhss
#138 - 2012-10-30 14:46:37 UTC
It's simple for me. Eve is a game, if I don't like something, I may complain, but then I just deal with it.

I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK"
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#139 - 2012-10-30 15:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Perramas wrote:
Sarmea Moon wrote:
Now, what risk do bumpers take? Oh right, nothing, absolutely no risk of anything right now. They don't even get flagged for it like can flippers. Yeah, real risky that.


If CCP made it where you were flagged for PvP by bumping a ship you would be here whinning how you just lost your hauler/freighter/other expensive ship to gankers on the Jita 4-4 undock.


They'd still have to shoot first---which would totally happen.Big smile

Some people don't even realize that can/wreck aggro was added to the game so people could defend their stuff. Otherwise, a sneaky theif just took off with it.
Ginger Barbarella
#140 - 2012-10-30 15:27:47 UTC
AFK Cloaking must go!!!

Wait...

Bumping is an exploit!! End it!!

Wait...

Ganking isn't profitable anymore!!! Buff it!!!

Wait...

Gate guns are too powerful!! Remove 'em!!

Wait....

Miners are too powerful in Eve, what with their AFK mining and contributing 123.6% of the minerals in the game!! Nerf 'em!!

Wait....

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