EVE General Discussion

Actually, our family business has kept us well feed for quite a long time. But whatever, believe what you want. The Universe is not obligated to keep a straight face.

Remove all mining? Of course not. You simply want to remove all high-sec mining. Which, in turn, lets all of your null-sec bot fleets monopolize the entire market. Which, in turn, means everyone will have to go to null-sec to buy anything. Which, in turn, is only possible if they are willing to swear fealty to your wonderful null-sec alliance. Which, in turn, gives your CEO another pixel on his e-peen. Which, in turn, is pretty much the raison d'etre of playing EvE, right? To force everyone to play the way you want them to or not at all?

hurr anti-miner tards durr pvp tards buhh duhh

The issue is that when it comes to working for their accounting department, neither do you. CCP can decide to close their game. CCP can also decide to make their whole game highsec. CCP can decide to create a completely new game.

This game stands out with two key features:

a) - Conquerable space thousands can call "home".
b) - Complete loss of your ship and modules and sometimes implants when KIA.

What I'm saying is that for us **customers**, asking the game to move away from these key features under the pretense that "I will unsubscribe" is paradoxical. It would be easier to ask CCP for a new game called VeV which would move away from these two features as much as possible.

Highsec is usually bashed because it it fails to offer a) and gives a false feeling there is no b). Highsec is meant to be a newbie land, which is something this game needs. What often happens is that some people can never "level-up" from being newbies in EVE, and others figure out some highsec rewards are on-par with other secs.

But this "forcing me to..." argument does comes not only from highsec. Take a look at AFK cloaking in 0.0. Take a look at lowsec gatecamps. People don't like the tools given to them to counter these, so they demand a CCP counter (nerf).

That tinfoil hat seems to be cutting off the circulation to your head.

Unfortunately, CCP have made it quite clear that they're moving in that direction.


Unfortunately, the combination that enough people have found out that hisec does indeed have rewards which are on-par with other secs, combined with enough people are unwilling to level up from being newbies AND unable to deal with losses, has culminated in CCP trying to more or less disincentivizing away all PVP or aggression in hisec. At this pace they'll finalize the removal of hisec PVP in a year.


The "hurr nerf cloaks" threads are shouted down by nullsec/wormhole inhabitants. Just saying.

And they can do what they want with their game. They won't force me to subscribe though. When the game stops being appealing to me, I can just move on. No need to tell the world or demand CCP anything.

I have played this game for 3 years because it delivers what it advertised to me. And it sure did not sound like WOW back then.

The most expensive part of the software industry is getting someone to buy your software; more time and effort is spent trying to do that than anything else. Or, to put it another way, it's easier to keep a current customer then it is to get a new one. I figure this would be doubly important in an 8 year old MMO.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't change the game, because they definitely should. But you can't quantify how many paying customers you'll gain vs how many you will lose when you're making said changes. The discussion takes place, but it's always going to be a hazy "We'll lose some of these subscribers, but with these changes we may keep these subs for a longer time and may be able to pick up some new ones." Sales probably doesn’t have any direct input with the developers, but I can guarantee that when they have concerns they’re addressed.

Will the proposed changes be better or worse for the game? There’s too much speculation to be sure one way or another, and all too often it doesn’t materialize outside of the forums. The developers just have to try to make the best game they can.

On the subject I will say that rarely is giving established players tools that they can leverage against new players is rarely going to cause anything other than grieving. We’ll see how it plays out though.

You guys ever pause and read what you post? Like really 'pause' and fathom what you all type, the ridiculousness of it all? The sort of calm dictator who does what he must. It's quite awesome quite frankly. You guys are in the wrong game you should try real life politics, you would find a lot of company there.

This a fair comment but you can successfully cater for a shifting demographic - it's not a case of STOP there and START here.

Evolving into the shifting demographic is ultimately prudent. It's businesses that try to be all things to all people all the time that are the ones that fail.

Also be mindful that CCP's existence as a "there AND there" single shard universe is both a niche AND a drawback.

Many "others" run as "there OR there" universes and you can be "moved" into a "part" of the game you are best suited to thus alleviating many individual concerns and issues. They're the "all things to all people" type of businesses that generally fail or lack subscriber retention in the long run because you can be inadvertently isolated from the "rest" of the game and the players.

CCP does not have that luxury so anything they do doesn't really have a precedent to draw on. Their own knowledge on how to deal with "issues" is evolving. We're bastards - plain and simple. Our $15 a month gives us RIGHTS DAMMIT!!!

I do not envy the person that has to consider ANY change for ANY reason and to balance the entire business based on bad tempers and personal requirements is a risky, risky business at the best of times.