EVE General Discussion

I am a big fan of the "force another playstyle on a player" playstyle.

Asking for that playstyle to be banned is rather hypocritical, my undesirable friends.

Many in eve seem to have monochrome vision, (monochrome -1 color)(vision - eye sight...too see), and short term memories, since eve came into existence (existence - any object that is) how many mining barge/exhumer changes have been made since eve began...(not counting typical graphic or color changes) I mean defensive....as far back as I recall 1...just 1 and this gots so many with their panties in a bind(panties - female underwear garment)(garment - clothing worn typically on the outside of one's body)and in that 1 change people have taken to saying carebear this and carebear that when how many changes have been made to combat ships because they needed to be "balanced"(balanced - an unanchored object that stays typically centered) so in that spirit (spirit - (the way I am expressing it) emotional state) I say who are the REAL whiners (whiners - people who make so much noise that one typically give them that object of desire so they'll shut their pie holes) so count how many changes to combat ships over the years and how many changes to mining barge/exhumer need I go on.

CCP obviously felt differently.
CCp apparently considered the cost disparity between the attacking ship and the attacked ship was simply too high.

You CAN still gank AFK Miners.
It just requires more investment from YOU.

now whats that frequently posted message by PvP'ers, regarding game changes?
"The game changed. Adapt or Die"



If CCP actually listened to whiney GD care/nulbear threadnaughts, the game would not be the best "Sci-Fi spacegame ever" anymore, it would be the worst, and probably closed.

You mean CCP realized that no matter how long they waited, people in hisec just would not stop crying about having to change their fits from maximum yield/cargospace to tanking, so they pre-tanked the ships so people could go back to fitting for maximum yield again.


We did adapt, by moving on to bigger targets. Apparently CCP is saying "okay, we're really serious now" and are nerfing anything even remotely linkable with PVP. The only step they can take beyond this, to nerf hisec PVP, is to basically disallow any aggression against another player whatsoever.


I guess you haven't seen the direction the game has been taken lately, then. It's literally been carebear fix after carebear fix, as carebears whine about it.

Countdown until even bumping someone is deemed an exploit or turned into something which makes the bumper a suspect in 3... 2... 1...

And that's why don't work for CCP, especially their accounting department. While the forums may laugh and throw confetti every time someone says that they unsubscribing over an issue, I assure you that CCP's accounting department is not popping champagne corks. They're losing money, and that does not make them happy.

So let's get this through everyone's heads once and for all, okay? CCP is a business. A business is an organism designed to acquire money from people. If it fails to do this, it dies. The way CCP makes money is through subscriptions, preferably long subscriptions that last for years. When subscriptions disappear that's food off their plates. They lose too many subscriptions and little CCP Junior is going ask why CCP Daddy is why they're having to move out of the nice big house into a tiny, little apartment. Then CCP Daddy has to explain that they made a really dumb decision a few weeks ago that cost them thousands of subscribers. What made it a dumb decision? The fact that it cost them thousands of subscribers.

Get it? There is only one criteria for what makes a good or bad decision: How it affects subscriptions. If CCP can makes a decision that makes 100 people quit but another 1,000 people join, that's a good decision. But making 1,000 people quit to satisfy a group of 100 dickheads who got their boy into a CSM position... that's a bad decision. That's probably where so many bad decisions come from, by the way: Alliance voting blocks leveraging their own boys into CSM positions to shove the entire game to suit just themselves. If you ever wondered "Who came up with this stupid idea?" odds are that's going to be your answer.

So the only thing to consider with any change that CCP makes is "Will this make people unsubscibe? Y/N." And I assure that no one in their accounting department believes that there is such a thing as "acceptable losses" when it comes to lost subscriptions, especially ones that could have been easily avoided by simply not screwing with things. What you like or don't are irrelevant past the voting power of your one subscription. And even if you've got five accounts or whatever, great, but that's still less weight than ten other people, let alone a hundred, or a thousand.

Everyone should get off their high-horses long enough to realize who's really in charge of this game. The game belongs to CCP and no one else. They're going to steer the game to the happiness zone of the largest number of people. They'll try to expand their nets to Ven Diagram cover as many people as possible too, but in the end it's always going to be about the numbers for them. That's how they stay in business. Nerf this, buff that, whine whine whine - those guys in accounting who make all the big decisions? They don't give a crap. They're paid not to give a crap. They're just looking at subscription numbers and analyzing data trends. They deal with facts, not opinions. Vocal volume means squat to them. There is only cause and effect, subscription gains and subscription losses. That's all that matters. And you should be thankful for that, because that's the kind of cold logic that keeps good games around for years instead of collapsing like so many others under the imbalanced weight of some lunatic's "vision."

Yes you are.

Actions speak louder than words. Nice try to hide the facts through plausible deniability though.

Because the vocal minority of anti-miner tards and pvp tards on the forum is clearly a representative sample of the customer base as a whole.

Because I hate you.

With the exception of one statement of fact (the ccp is a business), all of that is wrong lol. Insert link with EVE senior producer talking about "the people it's ok to lose" here lol.

Saying that a game company wants "as many people as possible" is not the same thing as saying "EVE is for everyone".

NOTHING is for everyone , but that goes doubly so for EVE.

If CCP wanted EVe to have "everyone", one night we'd dock our ships, and the next day we'd log in and our ships would be eleves, our Blasters would be Axes and Swords, and instead of killing Guristas/angels/rogue drones we'd be killing pandas/dragons/unicorns.....

Nay, I say, I want EVE, not some mass appeal themepark.

If you want something else, why not play something else?