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"Forcing People to Leave the Game" and "Forcing a Specific Playstyle"

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#261 - 2012-11-15 10:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Skydell wrote:

And EVE now lives and dies by the single doctrine of barf out the biggest blob to win EVE.


The blob has always existed in every human activity in our entire history of civilisation. There is literally not a single MMO that has open pvp that doesnt have blobs.

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They didn't nerf titans when nobody had them They knew they were over powered but they didn't do it even though were unbalanced and they knew it. Bait and switch? They waited untill a hand full of people wadded a fuckload of resources in to them (no, dickhead I wasn't one of them so stick your incoming hurr durr up your fat ass)


CCP are not all knowing. It only became clear titans were horribly overpowered when they were put into action, like many things.

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They don't nerf on balance. They nerf on popularity. Running your own game in to the ground based on making it unpopular piece by piece has one end conclusion.


No they nerf on balance issues. The fact that when something is over powered everyone uses it just just a fact of life.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2012-11-15 10:34:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Skydell wrote:
And EVE now lives and dies by the single doctrine of barf out the biggest blob to win EVE.

Incorrect. There are huge nuances to "the blob", but I assume you've either never been in null or you've been in an alliance which have been bad at PVP, because NCdot, ev0ke, black legiondot etc were doing a fine job of inflicting quite a lot of damage to our "blob", and they were often fairly outnumbered.

Then again, with your amount of rage, I don't really expect a very rational line of arguments.

Skydell wrote:
Something is introduced to the game that is unbalanced, you don't wait two years to balance it. You do it in coming patches. If you wait two years it's a claw back, it's a nerf.

Yes, Nerfing is bad. Hurr durr "See me, I'm a cool kid poster on da forums" who doesn't see the difference between real balances and flat out nerfs.

Here's a newsflash for you: CCP are bad at timely iteration.
Here's another newsflash for you: sometimes something which is fine when used in ones and twoes is fine, but when used in quantities of 50-100+ is bad.
Here's a third newsflash for you: nerfs are necessary for balance, and this is not something which times out after a month or two and becomes a sacred cow, never to be touched except for further buffs. This line of thinking would easily lead to such things as 10m hp dreads dishing out 1m dps, 1m BSes dishing out 100k dps etc.

Skydell wrote:
They didn't nerf titans when nobody had them They knew they were over powered but they didn't do it even though were unbalanced and they knew it. Bait and switch? They waited untill a hand full of people wadded a fuckload of resources in to them (no, dickhead I wasn't one of them so stick your incoming hurr durr up your fat ass)

They don't nerf on balance. They nerf on popularity. Running your own game in to the ground based on making it unpopular piece by piece has one end conclusion.

Back to your homoerotic hurr durr gibberish now.

I think you should probably take a few steps back and calmly count to 10 before you bust a vein. You're taking this game way too seriously, I think it's probably even being damaging to your health. Woosaah.

They nerfed the titans' AOE DD because in people got so many of them that they could DD even capitals off the field. Using your logic they'd been in the game for so long the only way to fix them would be to buff everything else, so I guess 10m hp dreads and carriers with massive self-rep capacity just to surve a single round of DDs.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#263 - 2012-11-15 11:10:09 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
And EVE now lives and dies by the single doctrine of barf out the biggest blob to win EVE.

Incorrect. There are huge nuances to "the blob", but I assume you've either never been in null or you've been in an alliance which have been bad at PVP, because NCdot, ev0ke, black legiondot etc were doing a fine job of inflicting quite a lot of damage to our "blob", and they were often fairly outnumbered.

Then again, with your amount of rage, I don't really expect a very rational line of arguments.

Skydell wrote:
Something is introduced to the game that is unbalanced, you don't wait two years to balance it. You do it in coming patches. If you wait two years it's a claw back, it's a nerf.

Yes, Nerfing is bad. Hurr durr "See me, I'm a cool kid poster on da forums" who doesn't see the difference between real balances and flat out nerfs.

Here's a newsflash for you: CCP are bad at timely iteration.
Here's another newsflash for you: sometimes something which is fine when used in ones and twoes is fine, but when used in quantities of 50-100+ is bad.
Here's a third newsflash for you: nerfs are necessary for balance, and this is not something which times out after a month or two and becomes a sacred cow, never to be touched except for further buffs. This line of thinking would easily lead to such things as 10m hp dreads dishing out 1m dps, 1m BSes dishing out 100k dps etc.

Skydell wrote:
They didn't nerf titans when nobody had them They knew they were over powered but they didn't do it even though were unbalanced and they knew it. Bait and switch? They waited untill a hand full of people wadded a fuckload of resources in to them (no, dickhead I wasn't one of them so stick your incoming hurr durr up your fat ass)

They don't nerf on balance. They nerf on popularity. Running your own game in to the ground based on making it unpopular piece by piece has one end conclusion.

Back to your homoerotic hurr durr gibberish now.

I think you should probably take a few steps back and calmly count to 10 before you bust a vein. You're taking this game way too seriously, I think it's probably even being damaging to your health. Woosaah.

They nerfed the titans' AOE DD because in people got so many of them that they could DD even capitals off the field. Using your logic they'd been in the game for so long the only way to fix them would be to buff everything else, so I guess 10m hp dreads and carriers with massive self-rep capacity just to surve a single round of DDs.


Says the official forumwhore for the biggest blob in EVE.
Damage your Blob? No, it's still there, still running Sov in four regions. Anything besides a bigger blob is just paper cuts on a cow.

As for my Null experience. We didn't bow down to the blob. We were removed. Maybe we can join your NAP train and be one big happy family in a balanced EVE?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2012-11-15 12:43:11 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Damage your Blob? No, it's still there, still running Sov in four regions. Anything besides a bigger blob is just paper cuts on a cow.

Do you know why it's "still there"? It's not because it's a "bigger blob" (which most people equate to "more people on the battlefield") but because it had "more stamina". It's a nice side-effect of having more people to draw from.

Skydell wrote:
As for my Null experience. We didn't bow down to the blob. We were removed. Maybe we can join your NAP train and be one big happy family in a balanced EVE?

I think you'll give yourself a cerebral hemorrhage first, what with your anger issues.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mag's
Azn Empire
#265 - 2012-11-18 18:12:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Dar Manic wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Your limitations on what the term PvP means is merely that, your limitation. It doesn't change the fact that PvP means Player verses Player. In the context of Eve's game play, it means Eve is PvP centric.

As far as your question goes, it would depend on the circumstance in which the question was asked. Blink

Thanks for playing.


And you answered it exactly the way I anticipated to prove my point. It means one thing when you want it to then something else entirely when it fits that need. Thanks for playing!!!

Eve is PVP centric... I could agree with that... except later on same people say Eve is all/only about pew pew PVP (read sig). Two totally different meanings used in the same argument to try to prove that Eve is PVP (read sig). Eve is not just about PVP (read sig). You cannot argue Eve is a PVP centric game (Player vs. Player) then turn around and say it's just about PVP (read sig).

Player vs Player centric is NOT the same as Player shooting vs Player shooting centric. They are NOT the same thing. PVP (read sig) is just a portion of Eve, not the end all/be all/only thing.
Ahh you have a magic 8 ball, good move.

It means what it means, player verses player. But if it was a question asked in the market section of the forum, then I would tend to think it was about market PvP. But it would still depend on the actual question.

Eve is PvP centric, in fact not much in Eve isn't PvP. How can I not argue it's PvP centric and not say within the context of Eve game play, it's almost all PvP. The fact you want me to go by your limitations, is your problem not mine.

Oh and Player shooting vs Player shooting would be PSvPS. Blink

Thanks for playing. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#266 - 2012-11-18 19:32:48 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Skydell wrote:
As for my Null experience. We didn't bow down to the blob. We were removed. Maybe we can join your NAP train and be one big happy family in a balanced EVE?

I think you'll give yourself a cerebral hemorrhage first, what with your anger issues.

You don't sound like you'll fit in.

Besides you'd be a big risk for awoxing ....

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ranzabar
Doomheim
#267 - 2012-11-18 19:55:59 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?

...You don't need to spend 15$ per month to look at nebulae and 3D ship models...


Do you know where I can look at nebulae and 3D ship models for less?

Abide
Ranzabar
Doomheim
#268 - 2012-11-18 20:00:47 UTC
Listen, if I want to let CCP suck $15 out of my account every month so that I can sit and spin little imaginary spaceships, that's my business.

Abide
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#269 - 2012-11-20 07:25:28 UTC
Ranzabar wrote:
Listen, if I want to let CCP suck $15 out of my account every month so that I can sit and spin little imaginary spaceships, that's my business.


But if you say CCP should nerf the outside because it would cause less stress on the servers, that would be the problem.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#270 - 2012-11-20 07:50:41 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?

EVE is clearly fueled by competition and cannot survive without it. You don't need to spend 15$ per month to look at nebulae and 3D ship models.

Anyone who uses "forcing me to do this" in their argument intrigues me; I have no idea why they are spending money on this game in the first place. The only thing really forcing you to anything is your own brain. If you are tired of getting your progress slowed, it's nobody's fault but your own that you do not use the tools given to everyone.

If you don't like shooting ships, that's your problem. Just don't try telling me those who shoot ships have an unfair advantage when it is clearly an advantage. In fact, anything you do in this game gives you an advantage over those who don't.

That is just as crazy as people moving to a different country and asking for laws to accommodate their personal needs or beliefs.



I'm not entirely sure how you came to the conclusion that Eve is fueled by competition and cannot survive without it.
Can you elaborate what you meant by this sentence and back it up with examples?

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