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Touval Lysander

Zero Wine

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#41 - 2012-10-25 04:15:45 UTC | Edited by: Touval Lysander

Shederov Blood wrote:

Oh yes, a siege module for barges that makes you unbumpable!
The only drawback is, you have to give up a high-slot for it, which no miner would ever do. Lol

Better yet, make it a low slot mod and watch their brains implode trying to work out a way to fit it AND a tank without removing at least one MLU.

They'll settle for the MLU and come to the forums complaining about bumping.

Oh.... Oops

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Marlona Sky State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 5,978	#42 - 2012-10-25 04:16:46 UTC 1 I like how haters will be for the module if it is such a massive nerf on whatever it is you are trying to do, that using it is pointless. Typical.

Souisa

Subhypersonics

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#43 - 2012-10-25 04:19:56 UTC | Edited by: Souisa

Touval Lysander wrote:

Souisa wrote:

Hello,

An alt of mine was just bumped outside HEK in an orca. If i hadnt been paying attention i would have been outside dock range soon enough and most likely popped by wartargets. This orca even had Reinforced Bulkheads.

Anyway. It seems that alot of miners are having an issue with bumping, but i think its a viable tactic. If i hadnt payed attention then with my orca i probably would have lost it. There were no WT's around at the time, but they would have shown up, webbed and scrammed me the second they see im outside dock range. Anyway, kudos to them for that, these kinds of tactics only make EVE a more interesting place. Anyway. There should be a way to defend against this IMO, some sort of anchor.

You undocked in an Orca while at war?

Trust me son, your problems are much more severe than worrying about bumping.

Calculated risk

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I suggest that the module will fit into a low-slot because thats where armor and other hull related stuff seems to go. It will also be a minor nerf to miners as they have to sacrifice a mining optimization laser or w/e. A bonus for miners at least is they can keep their shield tank more or less intact, because shield tanks usually revolve around med slots.


Touval Lysander Zero Wine Likes received: 609	#44 - 2012-10-25 04:38:08 UTC 1 Souisa wrote: Touval Lysander wrote: You undocked in an Orca while at war? Trust me son, your problems are much more severe than worrying about bumping. Calculated risk I'd be getting new batteries for said calculator. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Touval Lysander

Zero Wine

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#45 - 2012-10-25 04:40:33 UTC | Edited by: Touval Lysander

Souisa wrote:

A bonus for miners at least is they can keep their shield tank more or less intact, because shield tanks usually revolve around med slots.

Not according to gankers.

We're supposed to tank shield and armor apparently. Gee. An extra mod or two in the mids and lows and we can tank hull as well.

Stupid miners.

OT: Can't see most miners bothering because bumping is no more than a petty inconvenience. Really. It is. I did it for ages the other day and the Mack just kept coming back after warping off to +50 off station Twisted

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Souisa

Subhypersonics

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#46 - 2012-10-25 04:47:35 UTC | Edited by: Souisa

Touval Lysander wrote:

Souisa wrote:

Touval Lysander wrote:

You undocked in an Orca while at war?

Trust me son, your problems are much more severe than worrying about bumping.

Calculated risk

I'd be getting new batteries for said calculator.

What are you talking about? You dont know what the circumstances were :)

Its a fact that shield tanks revolve around med slots, especially active fit ones. Or idk what you are trying to say

Roll Sizzle Beef

Space Mutiny

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#47 - 2012-10-25 04:48:52 UTC | Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef

ISD Suvetar wrote:

That is quite an interesting suggestion indeed.

What is the flipside I wonder ? bumping is a valid tactic, and so therefore 'self anchoring' would then become a valid defence too.
But then, where is the emergent game-play ?

Meaning, if two play styles can negate each-other; why would anyone do it ?
How do you counter that ?

Off the top of my head, Self anchoring would have a cascading benefit according to the skill level of the person who anchors, and perhaps the level of navigation skill + mass involved would combat that by the person bumping ?

Have to be careful with super mass adding module ideas, specially if it still keeps you mobile. As that would be just another thing added to wormhole corps to easily collapse holes beyond plates and MWD as it is, or just used by bumpers.

It has to lock you down. Lets say, average strip cycle time per rep. Be a low slot to hurt yield. Uses Fuel blocks. and shrinks ore bay.
List of possible perks beyond being immobile for a set amount of time?
Increased miner cycle speed (more yield for time yet they are not getting more out of their crystals). Miner range. Miner drone speed. A damage control like resistance boost across the board. Less cap needed for boosters.

How to counter? The anchor requires a asteroid (they don't move when bumped yes?) Someone undermines the asteroid that was anchoring them and its turns off the module and the feedback makes it inoperable for 10 minutes. So they are stuck without the perks, and a smaller ore bay. They have to take the time to refit or wait it out.

Also bumpers mining to attack miners, fuuuuny.


Souisa Subhypersonics Likes received: 192	#48 - 2012-10-25 04:50:58 UTC \| Edited by: Souisa Trolls :) o/

Touval Lysander

Zero Wine

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#49 - 2012-10-25 05:33:32 UTC

Vincent Athena wrote:

In addition, an anchored ship should remain anchored even if you eject from it. This would stop issues with ships getting bumped out of POS fields and all the petitions that result. It would also give supercap pilots confidence that if they left their ship in their POS, it will still be there when they return. (And now Im nerfing myself. I once stole a Proteus that got accidentally bumped out of a POS field by the enemy when they warped in a Nyx.)

So where does starbursting fit in? And by that, how do we go about kicking people out of POS when they have the password to get in?

They could just anchor and stay?

Make it not possible inside a POS if not ally?

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James 315 Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED CODE. Likes received: 3,601	#50 - 2012-10-25 15:10:32 UTC Opertone wrote: omg, attention seekers... it is not likely that bump whining comes from genuine people. Boring. Botters and bot-aspirants, perhaps, but they are still people. MinerBumping.com

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Tali Ambraelle Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 237	#51 - 2012-10-25 15:32:09 UTC I agree with the high slot idea. Much like a cyno, it takes a high slot, but anchors you down for a set amount of time. You cannot move, you cannot do anything, other than sit there and mine. That means if you are targeted for a gank, well you're S.O.L. Maybe it should require fuel as well?...

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Xiode Nemesis Logistics Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 46	#52 - 2012-10-25 15:43:54 UTC FC always tells me to orbit the anchor, orbit the anchor!! But pilots of fleet not in overview. I have to find anchor in space, takes long time. After that EVE becomes easy I only have to push F1.

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Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge Likes received: 23,523	#53 - 2012-10-25 16:25:43 UTC Make the anchor system a High/Mid/low module set that only works when all three are fitted. If you dont want to be bumped, you need to sacrifice both yield and tank. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*


Tali Ambraelle Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation Likes received: 237	#54 - 2012-10-25 16:26:15 UTC Bumping because this is (except for the above troll suggestion) a good idea.

Vincent Athena

Photosynth

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#55 - 2012-10-25 16:32:36 UTC

Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:

Try ice mining in a Hulk orbiting the rock with a MWD on. Stagger your ice harvester cycles.

Hulk has 2x the mass of a Mackinaw, or 10x the mass with the MWD going. I'm not an expert in bumping, but it ought to make a big difference in how far you get bumped off.

Being in orbit around the rock should reduce the distance your ship gets bumped, and your ship will automatically try to regain that position.

A hulk has a mass of 40 million. a MWD adds 0.5 million. Hardly x10 mass. If you could somehow squeeze on a 10 MN MWD you would gain 5 million in mass. Still far below x10.

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Vincent Athena

Photosynth

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#56 - 2012-10-25 16:35:25 UTC

Tali Ambraelle wrote:

I agree with the high slot idea. Much like a cyno, it takes a high slot, but anchors you down for a set amount of time. You cannot move, you cannot do anything, other than sit there and mine. That means if you are targeted for a gank, well you're S.O.L. Maybe it should require fuel as well?...

If its a high slot then its use would make the Skiff useless. It has just one high slot.

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Vincent Athena

Photosynth

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#57 - 2012-10-25 16:39:56 UTC

Touval Lysander wrote:

Vincent Athena wrote:

Make it so the ship anchor is not absolute. That is the POS force field can eject an anchored ship. Then all you need do is change the password.

Having the anchor less than absolute also means you can still bump people, just only a small distance per bump.

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Marvin Narville

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#58 - 2012-10-25 16:52:47 UTC

Tali Ambraelle wrote:

Bumping because this is (except for the above troll suggestion) a good idea.

Oh, I see you've joined in on the bumper griefing as well! Seems to me we have a pot calling the kettle black situation, which i suppose would make you a racist as well sir!

I propose we implement some sort of "forum anchor" to combat this nefarious forum bumping campaign being perpetrated by Tali and her minions. Perhaps it could add mass(ive) walls of text to your forum signature radius, so large that it limits each page to a single post! We could call it a 1600mm reinforced rolled texten plate, and balance it by having it also prevent you from using the smiley face icons for 10, or perhaps even 20 minutes, while also reducing your tin foil hat resistances by 25%.

Lets take a stand against Tali and these forum bumpers!

Tali Ambraelle

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#59 - 2012-10-25 16:56:39 UTC

Marvin Narville wrote:

Tali Ambraelle wrote:

Bumping because this is (except for the above troll suggestion) a good idea.

Oh, I see you've joined in on the bumper griefing as well! Seems to me we have a pot calling the kettle black situation, which i suppose would make you a racist as well sir!

wut

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Rordan D'Kherr Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 475	#60 - 2012-10-25 17:39:18 UTC Souisa wrote: Hello, There should be a way to defend against this IMO, some sort of anchor. Drop a can, keep at range. Voila... Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.