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Upcoming container changes and your POS

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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#1 - 2012-10-24 20:07:28 UTC
So, as a recent dev blog has pointed out, soon containers will be able to be manufactured in stations and dragged about and all that goodness. In the course of the thread, station containers were brought up and to be honest it looks like wormholers were left out of the process a little. Which is a shame, because I know I'd love to be able to put these containers in my CHA and have more control over my pos and its' security. I believe if we were to start talking in that thread we'd be able to help influence positive change for pos living in w-space, but we need more than just one or two people just suggesting it for real change to be made.

What are your thoughts on the matter, wormholers?
Mattalious
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-10-24 21:10:26 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:

What are your thoughts on the matter, wormholers?



That I suddenly feel very Mexican.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-10-24 21:16:19 UTC
Seems like a fairly unimportant change to me. Sure removing NPC stuff is good but that's about as far as it goes as far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm missing something but why will it make any difference to how you use containers in POSs currently?

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Cavilha
Tupy Industries
#4 - 2012-10-24 21:17:46 UTC
I would love to see containers "Audit Logs" higher capacity. Could be created more containers of various capacities greater. 50k, 200k, 500k

But I think it already is a beginning and a good idea of direction to solve the problem of organization in POS
Cavilha
Tupy Industries
#5 - 2012-10-24 21:19:25 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Seems like a fairly unimportant change to me. Sure removing NPC stuff is good but that's about as far as it goes as far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm missing something but why will it make any difference to how you use containers in POSs currently?


With the containers would be possible to organize the items people the members of the corporation individually (each member with its container). Not prevent theft but arrange better.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-10-24 21:23:11 UTC
Or just wait for the POS revamp. You have put up with it so far.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-10-24 21:47:46 UTC
Cavilha wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Seems like a fairly unimportant change to me. Sure removing NPC stuff is good but that's about as far as it goes as far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm missing something but why will it make any difference to how you use containers in POSs currently?


With the containers would be possible to organize the items people the members of the corporation individually (each member with its container). Not prevent theft but arrange better.


yes...but containers already exist and already are used in POSs.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-10-24 22:38:12 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Cavilha wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Seems like a fairly unimportant change to me. Sure removing NPC stuff is good but that's about as far as it goes as far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm missing something but why will it make any difference to how you use containers in POSs currently?


With the containers would be possible to organize the items people the members of the corporation individually (each member with its container). Not prevent theft but arrange better.


yes...but containers already exist and already are used in POSs.


But the larger containers could never be removed from a station before as they were too large to fit in any ship. Now they can be repackaged to a smaller size and moved. So they could actually be used at a pos.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-10-24 22:59:31 UTC
Eh, I guess.
They're redoing the whole POS system Soon(TM) in any case so any interim POS changes are not very likely to happen.

If you want a personal can, just anchor a GSC and stick a PW on it *shrug*

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#10 - 2012-10-25 08:13:49 UTC
An assembled station container does not fit into a ship. We cannot repackage in our POS. Doesn't that mean that once you put a station container into your CHA and assemble it, you can never get it out again? And thus never unanchor your CHA? Since you cannot unanchor a tower that has anchored modules near it, this will also permanently trap your tower.

If I'm right, people bringing station containers to POSes could cause a major headache for their corps...

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ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#11 - 2012-10-25 15:04:26 UTC
your right terrorfrodo, it would become a headache, the only way you could take the tower down would be to offline the tower and destroy the CHA yourself.

The point that MAY be of some importance is, correct me if I am wrong you can put a PW on the larger station vaults, warehouses etc can't you? ( I dont use stations much). If you can then you could essentially divide CHAs or assembly arrays into passworded sections using the containers. Since the larger ones could never be removed from a CHA once assembled its a temporary solution to the issue.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-25 15:23:17 UTC
The other issue is the nagging one where it seems you cannot open a container inside a CHA. I always have to move it to a ship cargo, open, transfer stuff, and put back in the CHA. Wouldnt work very well with the station containers
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#13 - 2012-10-26 09:05:14 UTC
ExookiZ wrote:
your right terrorfrodo, it would become a headache, the only way you could take the tower down would be to offline the tower and destroy the CHA yourself.

Right, destroying it is also possible. Although it generates a lossmail.

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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#14 - 2012-10-26 15:48:17 UTC
This is why I'm suggesting we go take our concerns to CCP so that when the changes hit, we might be able to bypass the whole "pull container out to assemble and then put back" headache. We should be aiming for ease of use instead of just speculating on the issue.
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#15 - 2012-10-26 15:58:09 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
An assembled station container does not fit into a ship. We cannot repackage in our POS. Doesn't that mean that once you put a station container into your CHA and assemble it, you can never get it out again? And thus never unanchor your CHA? Since you cannot unanchor a tower that has anchored modules near it, this will also permanently trap your tower.

If I'm right, people bringing station containers to POSes could cause a major headache for their corps...


You can unanchor a CHA with stuff in it no problem. Unless you count it destroying everything inside as a problem.

So yes, you would never get the container back, but it should not hamper you from unanchoring anything.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#16 - 2012-10-29 11:10:54 UTC
This is what I heard too, but when I tried it once, it didn't work. Error message was "you cannot unanchor a structure with items inside it" or similar.

Maybe they changed it, maybe it's confused with the case when you unanchor a pos module that does not belong to your corp, after the tower is destroyed. That is possible and destroys the contents, but first the tower has to be destroyed.

If you are the owner of the tower, you can't unanchor modules with stuff in them, and you can't unanchor a tower with modules still anchored on grid.

Just a few months ago I was in the situation that I wanted to abandon a C2 with static LS, and I didn't want to leave a dead POS behind. I also didn't want to haul all the cheap crap out (about 75 modules). And I wanted to at least take the tower and some of the most expensive modules with me.

What I did in the end was that I unanchored everything and just left it floating, then unanchored the tower and took it with me. Someone surely found all those modules and hauled them away... there were never any loss mails, and they still do generate loss mails when unanchored, I tested it on one.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#17 - 2012-11-01 18:09:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Jack Miton wrote:
Cavilha wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Seems like a fairly unimportant change to me. Sure removing NPC stuff is good but that's about as far as it goes as far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm missing something but why will it make any difference to how you use containers in POSs currently?


With the containers would be possible to organize the items people the members of the corporation individually (each member with its container). Not prevent theft but arrange better.


yes...but containers already exist and already are used in POSs.

But the change will make the huge containers haulable when packaged. Thus allowing the massive station containers over 1,000,000m3 to be packaged and hauled to a POS.

Would be sweet if you could jet these cans and anchor them.
DethDodge
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#18 - 2012-11-06 12:13:19 UTC
The only change I see being necessary to POS mechanics is the ability to open containers within a structure. Because it's very unsecure to have everyone have access to everything. I'd rather they had their own password protected, non removeable container that could act like a true hangar. It would also be nice if they added a few larger sizes like 5k, 10k and so on.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#19 - 2012-11-06 12:34:14 UTC
Should never be storing anything of any value in a CHA anyhow or anchored cans either for that matter tho thats a slightly different story.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#20 - 2012-11-13 16:40:08 UTC
Also, get rid of the 3 week or whatever it is timer, I get it's an audit log container, but they can't work in a pos until that happens, you want to take your cha down, oops sorry you can't, there's a station container that was accessed recently so you've got to destroy the cha or wait another couple of weeks or so.

Should be able to set up something like it evemailing directors with who repackaged it, and contents on repackaging, but that would probably mean some roles sorting out for ccp, so unlikely to happen. I don't know what roles are required to repackage something, or even if the role is grantable or just something that happens.

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