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CCP allow miners to defend against bumpers ?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#401 - 2012-10-26 16:37:57 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
You and other undesirable belligerents are interrupting EULA sanctioned and legitimate game play for active miners.


They are not preventing them from playing the game. The undesirable belligerents are merely engaging in EULA sanctioned and legitimate gameplay by bumping other players' ships.

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Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#402 - 2012-10-26 16:38:37 UTC
The majority of the miner bumping is happening in a single system. Is it so hard for you to move a few jumps?

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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#403 - 2012-10-26 16:38:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:


Also who mines in a megathron?


Miners arnt the only people that get bumped.


Touche. I concede.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#404 - 2012-10-26 16:39:28 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
They do come all at once actually.
Even better. Then their impact is minimal to begin with.

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Perkone
Caldari State
#405 - 2012-10-26 17:22:11 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
James is playing the game the way it was meant to be played

sycophancy at it's best.
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
unlike afk miners and botters.

CCP designed the system, you can't blame players for being responsive to it (not an endorsement of botting, but afk =/= botting).
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So, conflate much?

TheGunslinger42 wrote:
In fact, emergent gameplay pioneers are the epitome of desirable, as they help demonstrate the possibilities in EVE online. Things like hulkageddon and burn jita are what make EVE famous, not undesirables such as yourself, who do nothing but f1 space rocks 23/7


Whether or not J315 is "desirable" or not, is actually, relative. His tendency to verbose pedantry (and delusions of grandeur) are not attractive.

So in the long run, J315 and his slobbering, simpering sycophants are just as desirable as those who afk mine (BUT NOT BOTTERS!) in that they both are playing the game within defined limits.


The afk miners are a lot less annoying.

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Nanatoa
#406 - 2012-10-26 17:25:32 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
They do come all at once actually.

That's incorrect; occasionally we have gatherings where we all operate together, but usually it's every bumper for him-/herself

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#407 - 2012-10-26 17:25:36 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Phoenix Bibbs wrote:
crap


You clearly have no idea how this game works. Also not everyone wants to be in small ships. Not everyone is you.

Also also James is not a "savior" of highsec. He is an undesirable, much like you.


James is playing the game the way it was meant to be played, unlike afk miners and botters.

that's why we have guns/missiles/EWAR modules/etc.... because all of it makes bumping of mining barges more efficient Cool

btw: which impact to bumping have leadership skills?

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Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#408 - 2012-10-26 17:38:09 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
I love bumping an Orca and then Watching the 20 Mach/Hulks follow it till they are out of Roid range :P


I did this a couple days ago, and incurred the wrath of everyone in local BUT the people I was bumping!

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#409 - 2012-10-26 17:40:27 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
btw: which impact to bumping have leadership skills?
They let you hit harder and with more precision.
Tragedy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#410 - 2012-10-26 17:50:33 UTC
Unreal. 20+ pages of people crying about this. Why not just go play mine craft or some **** and quit crying about everything in this game.

"Ccp please lower plex prices wah"

"Ccp make them stop bumping me!"

"Wah don't nerf my overpowered heavy missiles"

"Ccp please wipe my ass for me I'm a drooling idiot wah"

And this folks, marks the last time I ever look at eve forums other than features n ideas. Way too much crying.
Robert De'Arneth
#411 - 2012-10-26 17:57:35 UTC
Tragedy wrote:
Unreal. 20+ pages of people crying about this. Why not just go play mine craft or some **** and quit crying about everything in this game.

"Ccp please lower plex prices wah"

"Ccp make them stop bumping me!"

"Wah don't nerf my overpowered heavy missiles"

"Ccp please wipe my ass for me I'm a drooling idiot wah"

And this folks, marks the last time I ever look at eve forums other than features n ideas. Way too much crying.


Whinners, whinning about whinners, the irony. I am just going to point out, if whining bugged me, I would not waste time posting. That being said, the best way to defend against James and his idiot freinds, is to never pay the idiots one ISK. Learn to have many areas to work at. There is no reason to pay them, they are like gnats. If you pay any of these idiots one white ISK, you are an idiot period.

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Viktor Fel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#412 - 2012-10-26 18:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Viktor Fel
Zkaor wrote:
Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks


Dear OP,
I have tried to mine some care over at give-a-damn solar system - belt 1, but the mining attempt failed. Many pilots have been asking for years to destroy the likes of you (risk adverse bot mining carebear trash), but we've only gotten more CONCORD, etc so that your ilk will stop crying and water this game down to a steaming WoW in space POS game. You were not extorted really, you don't need defense. At most what did you lose? A few seconds of time.


Solutions

o Actually sit at your computer and get your lazy carebear self back into position. It takes about 10 seconds Cool
o Come to lowsec so that we may harvest your tears moar. Pirate
o Unsubscribe and leave EVE to pilots who are actually willing to take risk for the rewards within the context of the game enjoy it again.
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#413 - 2012-10-26 18:25:19 UTC
Viktor Fel wrote:
Zkaor wrote:
Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.


P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks


Dear OP,
I have tried to mine some care over at give-a-damn solar system - belt 1, but the mining attempt failed. Many pilots have been asking for years to destroy the likes of you (risk adverse bot mining carebear trash), but we've only gotten more CONCORD, etc so that your ilk will stop crying and water this game down to a steaming WoW in space POS game. You were not extorted really, you don't need defense. At most what did you lose? A few seconds of time.


Solutions

o Actually sit at your computer and get your lazy carebear self back into position. It takes about 10 seconds Cool
o Come to lowsec so that we may harvest your tears moar. Pirate
o Unsubscribe and leave EVE to pilots who are actually willing to take risk for the rewards within the context of the game enjoy it again.


Because less subscriptions is so good for the game.
Viktor Fel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#414 - 2012-10-26 18:26:58 UTC
Suitonia wrote:
The majority of the miner bumping is happening in a single system. Is it so hard for you to move a few jumps?


You see, that would require actual effort. Bot mining carebear trash don't like effort outside of running a script.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#415 - 2012-10-26 18:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Because less subscriptions is so good for the game.


Gawd people... stop spoiling these threads with stuff like real world economics... totally kills the mood! RollBlink

Viktor Fel wrote:
You see, that would require actual effort. Bot mining carebear trash don't like effort outside of running a script.


Yea! tell 'am man!

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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#416 - 2012-10-26 18:30:50 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Because less subscriptions is so good for the game.


Gawd people... stop spoiling these threads with stuff like real world economics... totally kills the mood! RollBlink

Viktor Fel wrote:
You see, that would require actual effort. Bot mining carebear trash don't like effort outside of running a script.


Yea! tell 'am man!


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Lord Calus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#417 - 2012-10-26 18:40:02 UTC
Pssst, minerals you mine are not free.

There are several other activities that can net you orders of magnitude more isk/hr for nearly the same AFK playstyle.

You are engaging in one of the most mindless activities in any MMO ever. The fact that it actually allows you to make an income is shocking.

HTFU.

Don't be afk and "play" eve.

Mining is NOT intended to be an activity that you start doing when you wake up and stop when you get home from work, it is meant to have you constantly at the keys.

I can't AFK run Sanctums and Havens and Hubs, you can't AFK mine in 2 or 3 highsec systems. Seems like a fair trade.

GTFO.

Join a corp and do joint operations, it will probably be more fun and engaging.

Play a different game. Your type is not needed or wanted. The game does not need further dilution just because you cannot adapt. I swear to god/allah/raptorjesus/whomever every time someone in highsec has something they don't like happen to them we get r-tard threads like this about how CCP needs to make your game experience 100% safe and hassle free.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#418 - 2012-10-26 18:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
If miners really wanted to defend themselves they could move to losec where Concord won't frown upon them shooting at something other than Ice, roids and the occasional rat.

But the miner mantra is thus

"we like being able to AFK because mining is pissboring. CCP should nerf those who interfere in our mining and protect us from people who have the gall to interrupt us from watching films while we mine" (miners can't deny this one I see it local all the time and can even provide chat logs)

"Our 15bux is worth more to CCP than the 15bux paid by the nasty people who don't like the way we play, gankers and bumpers are belligerent undesirables who have no place in a spaceship game" (that is marketed as a sandbox that is full of said belligerent undesirables btw)

"Give us proper bumping mechanics where a cruiser can't move a mining ship because of the difference in mass, but don't let the bumpers have the ability to counteract any changes to bumping mechanics" (if we could we would pack our cruisers with explosives set to explode on impact and give a whole new meaning to suicide ganking, one of the military tutorials actually uses this methodology and I would love to see it given to the players)

"Wha wha wha, insert generic whinge about anything at all that means we actually have to be present at the keyboard"

I'm a hisec miner & producer, amongst other things, and tbh I hate all those miners that whine about people doing sandbox like stuff in a sandbox, all the time devaluing my labours by flooding the markets with cheap mining products they gather while afk. I can deal with getting bumped, ganked and otherwise interfered with, via the mechanic of tear denial. I don't cry and whine when these things happen, I don't get mad, I accept it as a fact of life that others are free to interfere with how I play, because it's a sandbox and some people like to kick over other peoples sandcastles and even take a crap in the corner, while others like to construct sandcastles knowing full well they're going to get kicked over eventually.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#419 - 2012-10-26 18:46:13 UTC
Miners really should not have laughed and told gankers to adapt over the barge changes. Look at the results, if only you had tanked your hulk you wouldn't have to worry about this horrible bumping now.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#420 - 2012-10-26 18:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Nariz wrote:
Miners really should not have laughed and told gankers to adapt over the barge changes. Look at the results, if only you had tanked your hulk you wouldn't have to worry about this horrible bumping now.


I wish I could multiple like some posts in this thread, this is one of them.

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