EVE General Discussion

Why are you in hi-sec when you can bravely PvP all you like in the belts in lo-sec, 0.0, W-space?

Indeed these requests for action usually back-fire. If they don't change themselves, miners will never stop complaining; this is what the New Order of Highsec intends to fix. Helping miners help themselves, by letting them embrace the New Order.

Lordy, this thread delivered.

I also find it rather pathetic that miners are still crying and demanding CCP further buff their stupid braindead "profession".

I mean really, you twonks cried and cried and cried about ganking, ccp buffed the crap out of your barges and just a week or two later you've came up with another thing to cry about and demand "fixing"

This game operates solely on the fact that broken windows need fixing. Without pvp, the economy would become oversaturated within months, and people would leave in droves. That's not thriving. That's not even a slow death at that point.

SWG + NGE

To note: I absolutely support James315 and the emergent gameplay he has perfected, if not pioneered. I say this as someone with a large number of industry and mining skillpoints.

It's quite simple really, you vile PVP undesirables simply refuse to listen;

Eve is a sandbox, not just a warzone. Things die, but they also thrive. You have the right to play your way, even when it comes to ganking a bear. Why? Because at that point, bears have teeth and can counter attack. Whether they do or not is up to them.

However, bumping is a different scenarios. Bear's cannot effectively "gank" them in the traditional sense of the word. They do not have a single company or entity. Nay, half of them are sat inside NPC corps, while the rest are spread out. War deccing them would be a financial sink hole and a useless investment with MAYBE 1 or 2 kills to be had.

For now, miners try to orbit, or AB/MWD back, web each other, counter bump the enemy or bump each other back, but this is not as effective as the game disrupting activity of bumping them away in the first place.

This is what makes them undesirables that must be removed or nerfed; there is no effective counter to them. If it was all one corp, or a gank, or even lowsec, I'd tell the bears to remember their teeth and claws, suck it up, and fire back. This is not the case. It is not considered an "exploit" since it is a game mechanic, as so many workingasintended-tards tend to lean on.

Therefore, they interrupt, without consequence, the gameplay of those who choose to sit in a quiet corner to themselves, talk on corp chat, make a meal, or do whatever and mine their little hearts out. They do not pay to be griefed; they pay to play. I don't care if "this is Eve" or "working as intended" or "get over it." If I could kill you in the game to stop you, this wouldn't be an issue, but the current aggression tactics are not conducive to an effective counter attack.

That is why they are undesirable belligerents. That is why they should be removed. That is why I stand with the bears.

What is your reason, besides annoying people and being generally unproductive?

And don't bother with the "why should they interrupt my gameplay?" Your right to game play ends where it infringes on others' rights.

I honestly and legitimately wish that a large portion of industrialists and miners would simply cease their activities and unsubscribe for a while. Let's see if the claim that they can be replaced really does hold up the eve economy.

False. If a miner is botting, that is against the EULA and they should be treated as, indeed, undesirables and be removed.

This is not what I'm against.

I've seen this bump crusade go from something that could be rather useful to bumping players at their station, mining, and going about their business, but not botting.

If they mine without a script or bot, and let the ship sit while they make a sandwich, catch up on news, or whatever, then there's a problem. If they are within the rules and not botting, why care?

And why do you want higher mineral prices? Why do you want more expensive things? Why are you trying to raise the barrier of entry for others? What makes you the good guy in that situation?

Oh right, it doesn't.

But itz sanboxx meza wants to *bump bump.

see wat i did har?