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CCP, please, please...learn from past mistakes and slow down

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#41 - 2012-10-25 02:57:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
I really liked the part where Soundwave kept making a big deal a while back about how it was important for CCP to quit rushing development of expansions and to release stuff when it is actually ready for release and to actually put out content that makes sense and that players want rather than just farting out nonsense features, and then immediately after that we got Inferno.

That was pretty funny.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#42 - 2012-10-25 02:59:36 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I really liked the part where Soundwave kept making a big deal a while back about how it was important for CCP to quit rushing development of expansions and to release stuff when it is actually ready for release and to actually put out content that makes sense and that players want rather than just farting out nonsense features, and then immediately after that we got Inferno.

That was pretty funny.

I think you are using poor judgement. I don't think you are keeping up with other games being developed. Roll

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#43 - 2012-10-25 03:03:52 UTC
The panda themed expansions of other games that I don't play have exactly 0 effect on my opinion of the actions of the company that produces the game I do play.
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#44 - 2012-10-25 04:19:57 UTC
Slow down ??? Haha yeah ccp is Speed Demon hahah this is good !!! 1/10
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#45 - 2012-10-25 05:08:30 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

Confirming I am still placing a massive bounty on Dinsdale Pirannha for his terribad posting when December comes around and encourage others to join me. Feel free to post how many millions you will also place on him.

Amen.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#46 - 2012-10-25 06:16:05 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I really liked the part where Soundwave kept making a big deal a while back about how it was important for CCP to quit rushing development of expansions and to release stuff when it is actually ready for release and to actually put out content that makes sense and that players want rather than just farting out nonsense features, and then immediately after that we got Inferno.


Out of Inferno, the only thing that is particularly broken is the FW plexing. Unified inventory has a few niggles which are being worked out. There will be bugs getting squashed for quite some time: that is the nature of software.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#47 - 2012-10-25 06:59:13 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:

Confirming I am still placing a massive bounty on Dinsdale Pirannha for his terribad posting when December comes around and encourage others to join me. Feel free to post how many millions you will also place on him.


I find it sad that you, being a null sec = elite player, has to wait for the modified bounty system to try to silence me.
If you are so tough, why do you need to enlist the help of so many others.
Why not come after me now, and blow me out of the sky every time I undock?
Or is that too difficult for an elite PvP'er such as yourself?

BTW, I fight this losing battle of forum warfare (do you seriously think I believe I can win?), because I hate bullies.
I really don't give a damn how null sec operates, or wh's, or low, or high. I came back from living in null because I was disillusioned with the null sec lifestyle, as was the bulk of the leadership of my old corp.

What does **** me off when someone, or some group, decides to prey on another group, just because they have different values. You want to take on someone in game, and blow their ship out of the sky for territory or financial gain, or pure PvP fun, I can see that. That is what Eve was originally designed for.

But to meta-game people, or to hammer people in-game for something done out of game, that is just twisted. So when null sec groups run their propaganda campaigns bent on ruining the enjoyment for quite literally hundreds of thousands of people, just because it gives them great pleasure to do so, well, that is just wrong.

When I was a little younger, I used to beat the carp out of bullies I would meet in bars.
One thing I learned about bullies, is fundamentally they are cowards, needing to be in groups to attack others.

If you can't come after me alone, and need the help of the new bounty system, well then chum, you are a coward.
Cpt Matis
Federal Commercial Office
#48 - 2012-10-25 07:09:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Matis
pretty much agree with all these.
We already see concequence of extreme ore hold increase.
I don't mention that for ore prices but the increasing number of script users (bots).
and that's just one change only
Talo Momoe
#49 - 2012-10-25 09:46:59 UTC
Casirio wrote:
Adapt or die. Most of us actually welcome change.


This.

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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-10-25 10:16:06 UTC
If anything, CCP should speed up, considering its been about 4 years (I dont remember exactly) since they last added something to the game that I was remotely interested in, and wasn't particularly disappointed in its application.

In after the lock :P   - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies

Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#51 - 2012-10-25 10:59:22 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


If you can't come after me alone, and need the help of the new bounty system, well then chum, you are a coward.



Meet me in null sec. 1 vs 1 on the sun.

Also I'll still place a bounty on you, because I think other people should enjoy killing you too.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#52 - 2012-10-25 11:12:25 UTC
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


rabblerabblerabble.



Meet me in null sec. 1 vs 1 on the sun.

Also I'll still place a bounty on you, because I think other people should enjoy killing you too.



Or Dinsdale could put a huge bounty on you as well and then I can shoot...er...bomb, actually.... the both of you and make some fat bank.

Pirate

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-10-25 11:29:13 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
it will be fun and exciting to watch all the new changes at once.
It'll be like a new game.

well yeah dust will kill eve but we have known that for a while, the rest seems pretty fun.



I am starting to believe that CCP trolled SONY and made them pay a huge chunk of the bill to advertise for eve online and that eve will kill dust by getting dust players interested to buy EVE. But that is my crazy theory.


Also, I love all changes coming and I will not pay any attention to the OP.
Siigari Kitawa
Operation Sleepless
#54 - 2012-10-25 11:33:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Im getting a sexier megathron!

If I go to fanfest next year I will buy whoever made the new mega the most outragious drink I can find!

Also other stuff. Dont rag on CCP for working on EVE, this is what we wanted.

What do you mean sexier Megathron?

Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#55 - 2012-10-25 11:51:16 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
What does **** me off when someone, or some group, decides to prey on another group, just because they have different values. […] That is what Eve was originally designed for.
Indeed. Well, for that and for any other reason you can conceive of.

I don't know why it's making you so upset, though. It validates your persecution complex, doesn't it? Isn't that a good thing?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-10-25 11:57:24 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
What does **** me off when someone, or some group, decides to prey on another group, just because they have different values. You want to take on someone in game, and blow their ship out of the sky for territory or financial gain, or pure PvP fun, I can see that. That is what Eve was originally designed for.

But to meta-game people, or to hammer people in-game for something done out of game, that is just twisted. So when null sec groups run their propaganda campaigns bent on ruining the enjoyment for quite literally hundreds of thousands of people, just because it gives them great pleasure to do so, well, that is just wrong.


The things you're complaining about are what separates EVE from other MMOs. You better bet that crap you say or post outside of the game will have negative consequences in-game. The metagame is one of the few things that makes this otherwise bland game exciting.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-10-25 12:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
On a side note, I don't see how Incursions are in stone age now. Content-wise, well, they are no worse than any PvE out there, Income is decent. FW, we'll see.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#58 - 2012-10-25 12:15:37 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


rabblerabblerabble.



Meet me in null sec. 1 vs 1 on the sun.

Also I'll still place a bounty on you, because I think other people should enjoy killing you too.



Or Dinsdale could put a huge bounty on you as well and then I can shoot...er...bomb, actually.... the both of you and make some fat bank.

Pirate



As a someone who lives in null sec if you place a bounty on me all you'll do is pay someone who was going to kill me anyway.

I mean feel free if you want, I just don't think it achieves the desired effect Blink

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli

Matt Grav
Wrath of the Pea
#59 - 2012-10-25 13:07:10 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
CCP, you are about to implement not one, not two, but at least 3 different major changes to game mechanics, plus introduce Dust, plus overhaul 40 some odd ship hulls, plus seem to be in the midst of yet another overhaul of FW.

......

And given the incredibly short test windows CCP is allowing, it is impossible to have the long-term, widespread testing required to see how all these changes will interact.

Of course it's impossible. The interactions are incredibly complex and the only way to really see how they will all interact is by releasing them on the live system and seeing what happens.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
What is the harm of SLOWLY implementing these changes.

Give the players, and ultimately your dev's, 6 months to test the new systems

So it would take years to rollout any meaning full changes.... you'd pretty much kill the game dead. MMO's survive by periodic refresh and change.

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Do you guys seriously believe that you can create bullet-proof systems and the players have enough time to examine every possible loophole in the time you have allotted for this next release?.

No of course they don't. You have to give this stuff to the players on the live systems to really see what the interactions are going to be like.

The test systems can be used to test the code for bugs but actual meaningful game play is only going to take place on the live system.

I've been involved in the rollout of lots of IT systems and updates. They have been tested thoroughly in testing managed by experienced test managers, with large and varied test groups but no matter what we did we never knew what was actually going to happen until the changes were released on to the full production services.
Companies can spend millions on product testing but they always seem to end up having to fix things post release.

Change is sometimes painful and unwanted by a % of your current user base but without it products and games do not survive.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-10-25 15:04:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Did anybody else stop reading the OP before the end of the first line?

CCP was doing fine before, during and after all the minority whiners that they changed process for. There is absolutely no reason for them to not implement any changes they are making and/or DUST.

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