Warfare & Tactics

Nobody would be complaining if CCP had not decided to make systems not vulnerable with few miserable plexes. Both sides would have still benefitted and key systems could have been held since there was reward for defending them. Instead CCP showed their true colors by fast forwarding after gallente cash-in.

This gave gallente the "last cash in", then CCP handed them more money by opening all their currently held but vulnerable systems for defensive lp farming, then they put forward "System can only be this deep into vulnerable" mechanics which made it impossible for Caldari to ever stage a comeback because lp from defensive plexes is simply too lucrative and all vulnerable systems were no longer so after couple of hours.

Yet many people tell Caldari to take off the tinfoil hats despite their continued favour directed at their pet goat militias. How about you lot go f.ck yourself.

Ninjaedit: Snake, you might want to check your signature.

While I don't think ccp did this to favor one side or another. The sudden change in rules that ruined lots of factions plans does tend to show that they really don't care about faction war. They would never do this in null sec.

Bad Messenger summed it pretty well: If you want to roleplay, you go for Amarr/Caldari. If you want Isk (like 99%) of people, you go for Matar/gallente.

Militias suck for pvp anyway. The moment you manage to gather yourself a posse, any and all reasons to fight disappear anyway, like they have already done. Why take systems and do massive when you can just roll alts to opposing militia and profit from tier which is already high-enough?

In fact, the changes CCP installed just might have made FW worse than it was, which itself is fairly mind boggling achievement. Previously farming alts didnt stop you taking systems. Now they do that and it's even worse for health of low-sec than old system.

Again, I ask a question. Why attack a system since you are just handing your enemy free isk when they can defend with alts when you sleep?

The map is going to stagnate and occupancy warfare is going to be a big grind because instead of having the plexing alts helping attack, they are now helping to defend.

This system is definitely worse than inferno. With inferno amarr could always strive for the tier 5 cashout. The more lp we built up the more reason we had to try to achieve it!

Now we just flat out get paid less for the same work. Fight for amarr where you get half the pay!

Caldari still has a nominal numbers advantage. I have no clue whether that works out to any more real boots on the ground. If caldari manages to get the lead then the tide may swing for them and we can have everyone join minmatar and Caldari and fight it out.

Otherwise its just not smart for the losing side to engage the occupancy mechanic at all. Its just giving isk to your enemy. Its better to just let them take all the systems. Because after that is done at least the economic bleeding stops.

1. That half pay is still enough to keep you fighting and in the game.
2. Caldari plexing alts have vanished and I think many have reappeared as Gallente and Minmatar alts since we're both at Tier 4 now.

I have always advocated for no/minimal pay for defensive plexing, so yes I agree.

Rational people choose what they want to worship. The alts choose isk. Your militia is stronger if your core members choose to value other things over isk.


1. YOU can still get pvp, so the argument w.r.t not being able to pvp is a red herring.
2. YOU can still make a living doing FW, so the argument w.r.t isk making ability is a red herring,

You should concentrate your argument to the following and get rid of the two red herrings above: Alts affect occupancy warfare too much. First it was easy offensive plexing and now it is through super easy defensive plexing. With Tier 4, it will also be through easy offensive plexing.

I answered it perfectly. I am not surprised you and everybody's plexing alts choose isk over their militia. I am also not surprised that many players like myself, Julius Foederatus, Val Erian, (most likely even Damar, flyinghotpocket, Super Chair) and the guys in Electus Matari and Murietor Tribe do not.
Assuming alts are not a part of the equation - winning FW is not about isk. Dessies, Cruisers, BCs, etc.. are easily affordable at Tier 1 payouts. Numbers, coordination, good FCs, morale matter much, much more.
Your character can only fly one ship at a time.

Few dedicated diehards are not going to affect things when there are up to 50 moneymakers opposing for each of them.

Mathematics are a hard to argue with so I assume most people (me included) will roll up alts for opposing militia missioning and move their stuff to non-lockable lowsec. X Gal of course does not think this is somehow bad since his and his allied militia end up on top anyway.

Nobody will fight in FW over systems but then again, nobody has actually fought over anything in FW since Inferno anyway. This of course wont hinder Gallente and Minmatar militias in the least since it's going to be isk making paradise until end of Eve.

I quess congratulations are in order for CCP and Hans for finally stacking the deck big enough to be too much for Amarr/Caldari to handle and achieving their dream of killing FW.