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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#181 - 2012-11-02 17:10:58 UTC
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already proven all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#182 - 2012-11-02 18:01:41 UTC
Certain individuals seem to have a very unrealistic and undeserved sense of entitlement.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2012-11-02 18:06:40 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already "proven" all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
Are you sure you're not Minmatar?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#184 - 2012-11-02 18:30:11 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already "proven" all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
Are you sure you're not Minmatar?
Never let facts get in the way of a good whine. My apologies.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#185 - 2012-11-03 02:19:35 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already "proven" all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
Are you sure you're not Minmatar?

Worse. He's a frog.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#186 - 2012-11-03 02:29:24 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already proven all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.



Could you offer this proof?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#187 - 2012-11-03 06:18:11 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already proven all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.



Could you offer this proof?

Tier 2 = Pre-inferno lp payouts. People could afford unlimited ships pre-inferno. Therefore, Poetic is full of sh**. QED.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2012-11-03 07:18:36 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already proven all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
Could you offer this proof?
Tier 2 = Pre-inferno lp payouts. People could afford unlimited ships pre-inferno.
What happens when the Amarr end up at T1, because I doubt many of us are going to give a flying **** about circling buttons. Right now nobody from the Minmatar are trying to conquer systems. But eventually they probably will. We're in Egghelende for a reason, so that we don't have to care about PvE (we're nowhere near the systems we actually "control".) If the largest, most active Amarr alliances don't try to maintain any system sovereignty, how do all those other smaller alliances, who may care, try to earn an income for effective ships at T1? They'll be spending all their time circling buttons solo, and not spending much time PvPing. Which is probably not why they joined FW.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#189 - 2012-11-03 08:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
What happens when the Amarr end up at T1, because I doubt many of us are going to give a flying **** about circling buttons.


Then you make 50% of the LP the minmatar do, but the LP is still worth at least the same as the Minmatar LP for shared items, and more for your own items, and you don't have the issue where high sec carebears get stuff cheaper than you do as it was with the previous iteration.

Poetic Stanziel wrote:

They'll be spending all their time circling buttons solo, and not spending much time PvPing. Which is probably not why they joined FW.


That's the great thing about plexes and sov warfare - it encourages dispersion of force. This is what makes FW great, as opposed to pvp combat in pretty much every other part of eve. Every faction has the same pressure to go circle buttons solo, and I find it quite hilarious you consider solo == no pvp going to happen.
Dan Carter Murray
#190 - 2012-11-03 08:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Carter Murray
dumb mother ******* wrote:

stupidity


okay enough of the ******* bullshit.

if you aren't living in FW lowsec, you might as well get the **** out of FW and become a pirate.

quit crying about orbiting ******* buttons.

make an alt to defensive plex and get wtf LP for doing absolutely nothing. oh wait...your alt is in minmatar militia...you ******* morons.

use your main to go where SOMEONE LIVES and you will get ALL THE ******* FIGHTS YOU ******* WANT.

If you want isk, and don't want to do "PVE"...well then guess what? YOU WERE DOING PVE DOING THE ******* FW MISSIONS BEFORE INFERNO FOR FUCKS SAKE.

at least now when you "PVE" orbiting a button you get isk AND POSSIBLY A FIGHT.

so GET THE **** OUT of FW and become a ******* PIRATE if you want to keep ******* COMPLAINING about the ******* MECHANICS that exisited PRE-******* INFERNO regarding PVE to make isk.

you can find PVP if you plex. so it turns out you get the BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.

oh **** i'm making LP AND killing ******* that enter the ******* PLEX I'M ORBITING...OHGODWHY

OH NOES no one entered my plex and i finished it?! wow i just made 10MIL ISK FOR DOING A MINOR...oh wait if you're amarr YOU MADE ABOUT 17 MIL.

oh noes we're at tier 1 boo ******* hoo...but you can't complain if you hit tier 1 because YOU LIVE OUTSIDE OF FW ******* LOWSEC.

ERMAGERD I DON'T WANT TO GET LOCKED OUT OF MY STUFFZ...then take your dumb ******* alt out of minmatar militia and put him back into your militia and DEFENSIVE PLEX...

and quit piling every major corp into one ******* system... are you English or ********? seriously... move to a few systems 2-3 jumps away and OH MY GOD WE CAN HOLD MULTIPLE SYSTEMS...oh and NOW YOU CAN USE YOUR ****** ALT to defend ALL THE SYSTEMS AROUND YOU...

so ENOUGH OF THE ******* BULLSHIT...

oh and regarding the "BLAH BLAH ESZUR/HOF CHOKE"....yeah it ******* SUCKS...but guess what? THERE ARE SYSTEMS IN METRO that you can move your ****** ******* ATTITUDE CORP TO...

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#191 - 2012-11-03 08:36:15 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already proven all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
Could you offer this proof?
Tier 2 = Pre-inferno lp payouts. People could afford unlimited ships pre-inferno.
What happens when the Amarr end up at T1, because I doubt many of us are going to give a flying **** about circling buttons.

.. and now you whine you can't afford ships?

maybe CCP have to just support you by unlimited ISK because you don't give a flying f... about game mechanics and want to just peeweeepeee? Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#192 - 2012-11-03 08:36:19 UTC
If one side makes 50% of base LP while other side makes 325% of base LP, how does Amarr militia
chatgris wrote:

make 50% of the LP the minmatar do...
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2012-11-03 08:44:32 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
.. and now you whine you can't afford ships?
I'm fine on ISK and ships. I'm just thinking about newbros.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#194 - 2012-11-03 09:31:52 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already proven all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
Could you offer this proof?
Tier 2 = Pre-inferno lp payouts. People could afford unlimited ships pre-inferno.
What happens when the Amarr end up at T1, because I doubt many of us are going to give a flying **** about circling buttons. Right now nobody from the Minmatar are trying to conquer systems. But eventually they probably will. We're in Egghelende for a reason, so that we don't have to care about PvE (we're nowhere near the systems we actually "control".) If the largest, most active Amarr alliances don't try to maintain any system sovereignty, how do all those other smaller alliances, who may care, try to earn an income for effective ships at T1? They'll be spending all their time circling buttons solo, and not spending much time PvPing. Which is probably not why they joined FW.


This exemplifies a major hurdle for the Amarr-- they don't give a **** about the system and refuse to partake; however, they still feel entitled to complain about how unfair this system they are not interested in using is.

Interesting.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Dan Carter Murray
#195 - 2012-11-03 09:55:45 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already proven all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
Could you offer this proof?
Tier 2 = Pre-inferno lp payouts. People could afford unlimited ships pre-inferno.
What happens when the Amarr end up at T1, because I doubt many of us are going to give a flying **** about circling buttons. Right now nobody from the Minmatar are trying to conquer systems. But eventually they probably will. We're in Egghelende for a reason, so that we don't have to care about PvE (we're nowhere near the systems we actually "control".) If the largest, most active Amarr alliances don't try to maintain any system sovereignty, how do all those other smaller alliances, who may care, try to earn an income for effective ships at T1? They'll be spending all their time circling buttons solo, and not spending much time PvPing. Which is probably not why they joined FW.


This exemplifies a major hurdle for the Amarr-- they don't give a **** about the system and refuse to partake; however, they still feel entitled to complain about how unfair this system they are not interested in using is.

Interesting.


it's a few ******* people. not all of ******* amarr.

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#196 - 2012-11-03 11:32:00 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
dumb mother ******* wrote:

stupidity


okay enough of the ******* bullshit.

if you aren't living in FW lowsec, you might as well get the **** out of FW and become a pirate.

quit crying about orbiting ******* buttons.

make an alt to defensive plex and get wtf LP for doing absolutely nothing. oh wait...your alt is in minmatar militia...you ******* morons.

use your main to go where SOMEONE LIVES and you will get ALL THE ******* FIGHTS YOU ******* WANT.

If you want isk, and don't want to do "PVE"...well then guess what? YOU WERE DOING PVE DOING THE ******* FW MISSIONS BEFORE INFERNO FOR FUCKS SAKE.

at least now when you "PVE" orbiting a button you get isk AND POSSIBLY A FIGHT.

so GET THE **** OUT of FW and become a ******* PIRATE if you want to keep ******* COMPLAINING about the ******* MECHANICS that exisited PRE-******* INFERNO regarding PVE to make isk.

you can find PVP if you plex. so it turns out you get the BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.

oh **** i'm making LP AND killing ******* that enter the ******* PLEX I'M ORBITING...OHGODWHY

OH NOES no one entered my plex and i finished it?! wow i just made 10MIL ISK FOR DOING A MINOR...oh wait if you're amarr YOU MADE ABOUT 17 MIL.

oh noes we're at tier 1 boo ******* hoo...but you can't complain if you hit tier 1 because YOU LIVE OUTSIDE OF FW ******* LOWSEC.

ERMAGERD I DON'T WANT TO GET LOCKED OUT OF MY STUFFZ...then take your dumb ******* alt out of minmatar militia and put him back into your militia and DEFENSIVE PLEX...

and quit piling every major corp into one ******* system... are you English or ********? seriously... move to a few systems 2-3 jumps away and OH MY GOD WE CAN HOLD MULTIPLE SYSTEMS...oh and NOW YOU CAN USE YOUR ****** ALT to defend ALL THE SYSTEMS AROUND YOU...

so ENOUGH OF THE ******* BULLSHIT...

oh and regarding the "BLAH BLAH ESZUR/HOF CHOKE"....yeah it ******* SUCKS...but guess what? THERE ARE SYSTEMS IN METRO that you can move your ****** ******* ATTITUDE CORP TO...

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#197 - 2012-11-03 12:18:50 UTC
No, seriously now; this is a major unbalancment:

Why can't I get a salary just for being in a militia to cover any ship and stuff I want?

Pre-Inferno I was used to earn money doing exploration sites, but Jesus that's no fun, having to wait for those stupid probes to find something and then having to shoot at those red crosses, looting the wrecks... Why I cannot just sit in Rens doing nothing and have directly the same isk incominge as anyone else doing it?

And this FW is clearly broken as well: I should get paid simply cause I honor CCP and CSM joining a militia. And why have I to hang in those ****** warzone systems with all the routes clearly designed to bother me? And have to undock too (let's face it: hitting a stupid undock button is not PvP) also these systems are full of mean people trying to kill my ISK income.

I want an anser from CCP and CSM here: when will you fix things so I can get a daily salary for being in FW doing nothing but staying in Rens? Of course should be equivalent to any other players income? Will be this feauture released with Retribution? I bet no (aqnd this is clearly a proof as the current CSM is plotting against us).




X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#198 - 2012-11-03 14:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Isk and rewards are not the issue. We have already proven all sides in FW make enough isk to continue the war. Carry on.
Could you offer this proof?
Tier 2 = Pre-inferno lp payouts. People could afford unlimited ships pre-inferno.
What happens when the Amarr end up at T1, because I doubt many of us are going to give a flying **** about circling buttons. Right now nobody from the Minmatar are trying to conquer systems. But eventually they probably will. We're in Egghelende for a reason, so that we don't have to care about PvE (we're nowhere near the systems we actually "control".) If the largest, most active Amarr alliances don't try to maintain any system sovereignty, how do all those other smaller alliances, who may care, try to earn an income for effective ships at T1? They'll be spending all their time circling buttons solo, and not spending much time PvPing. Which is probably not why they joined FW.

1 minor plex (10 minutes) = 5k LP, 2 minor plexes = 10k LP = 1 navy slice - a great ship for a noob. (Great for anybody. and minors have the worst payout)
But also:
1. Why do you have such a sense of entitlement? Why don't want to put any effort into your isk-making activities like everybody else.
2. Why do you feel you should receive the isk from the occupancy war when you don't want to participate?
3. Why don't you HTFU and develop another income stream if you don't want to take advantage of the ridiculous FW payouts?
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#199 - 2012-11-03 16:28:29 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:

okay enough of the ******* bullshit.

if you aren't living in FW lowsec, you might as well get the **** out of FW and become a pirate.

quit crying about orbiting ******* buttons.

make an alt to defensive plex and get wtf LP for doing absolutely nothing. oh wait...your alt is in minmatar militia...you ******* morons.

use your main to go where SOMEONE LIVES and you will get ALL THE ******* FIGHTS YOU ******* WANT.

If you want isk, and don't want to do "PVE"...well then guess what? YOU WERE DOING PVE DOING THE ******* FW MISSIONS BEFORE INFERNO FOR FUCKS SAKE.

at least now when you "PVE" orbiting a button you get isk AND POSSIBLY A FIGHT.

so GET THE **** OUT of FW and become a ******* PIRATE if you want to keep ******* COMPLAINING about the ******* MECHANICS that exisited PRE-******* INFERNO regarding PVE to make isk.

you can find PVP if you plex. so it turns out you get the BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.

oh **** i'm making LP AND killing ******* that enter the ******* PLEX I'M ORBITING...OHGODWHY

OH NOES no one entered my plex and i finished it?! wow i just made 10MIL ISK FOR DOING A MINOR...oh wait if you're amarr YOU MADE ABOUT 17 MIL.

oh noes we're at tier 1 boo ******* hoo...but you can't complain if you hit tier 1 because YOU LIVE OUTSIDE OF FW ******* LOWSEC.

ERMAGERD I DON'T WANT TO GET LOCKED OUT OF MY STUFFZ...then take your dumb ******* alt out of minmatar militia and put him back into your militia and DEFENSIVE PLEX...

and quit piling every major corp into one ******* system... are you English or ********? seriously... move to a few systems 2-3 jumps away and OH MY GOD WE CAN HOLD MULTIPLE SYSTEMS...oh and NOW YOU CAN USE YOUR ****** ALT to defend ALL THE SYSTEMS AROUND YOU...

so ENOUGH OF THE ******* BULLSHIT...

oh and regarding the "BLAH BLAH ESZUR/HOF CHOKE"....yeah it ******* SUCKS...but guess what? THERE ARE SYSTEMS IN METRO that you can move your ****** ******* ATTITUDE CORP TO...

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻


Look what you did guys. Which one of you is going to clean up the mess on the floor?

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#200 - 2012-11-03 16:33:14 UTC
i think someones mad, bro

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