Jita Park Speakers Corner

Pretty nice irony there ;)

I've never participated in any kind of leadership position within the Amarr, but wouldn't you say after a couple weeks/months hanging out in comms/chat and flying in fleets you get an idea of how that group works and interacts with militia mates?

This is true, I admitted that myself. I was speaking on the long-term: what I've observed of the Amarr militia over the course of 3 years now. I admit that there are now a lot of new groups/faces/mindsets in the post-Inferno Amarr; I admitted that the atmosphere and attitude may now very well be different. I was giving you a perspective of the historically recurring problems the Amarr have had. If you've changed as a militia, congratulations; was about time.

I've discussed elsewhere on the forums (W&T) that if you guys could muster a competent EUTZ group and if both timezones could muster some desire to actually "play" the sov-war game for it's own sake you could role-reversal us and you'd see cry-baby ****-posts about how hard the Minnie life is on the forums.

Well, we agree then. And yes, but it does get fights. Especially against the Minmatar who seem to care a lot about holding Sov. vOv Also, the reason we don't come to Egg is partly because there is simply no reason to. You come to Huola and we defend it because we can lose the system and get all our **** locked away; same to some extent for Kourmonen and such. We'd come to your home system with **** all the time if there was even the most remote possibility of us locking you out of your ****. Even if you just had a FOB in Siseide or Auga or some ****. vOv

The usual good posting from Shalee ...

from http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/the-map-a-plea-to-ccp-soundwave/

Another thing that’s on my mind is a post Poe made on the EVE forums asking for Hans Jagerblitzen to join FW the Amarr side so that he can experience first hand what it is like for us.

I suggested that to Hans from the very begining, that he should experience all of the Factions, not just Minmatar, because that is the only way you’re really going to get a sense of what is going on.

I understand why he didn’t, he is invested in his corp and alliance and he is as proud of Minmatar as I am of Amarr.

But the thing is, at the time of his election, most of us in Faction War rallied to vote for him. He was to be our representative, to represent us all, not just the Minmatar and it feels like to some he has forgotten the people who helped him get elected.

Point in case. I open up Twitter while at work and see a few of Han’s tweets:


I guess for me, just my own personal opinion, I don’t want to see any sort of trolling from the guy I elected to represent me. Maybe that’s not fair but that’s how I feel. I don’t want to see any Amarr bashing (because we get enough of that from Susan lol) from him because it just encourages that feeling that others have about Hans, that he is only in it for himself and the Minmatar- which I know is not true.

I know that Hans does truly care for all of FW.

What is the point of having Minmatar without Amarr? What kind of war would it be if there were no one to fight?

Which brings me to my last point.

Hans came to the Fweddit comms last week for a four-hour long discussion, I was there for roughly half of it. One important thing I gleaned from it was that CCP Soundwave is not the best person for FW.

To my understanding, he doesn’t ‘get’ FW. He doesn’t understand that the Amarr and Minmatar have a symbiotic relationship, that they need one another to actually have decent game play.

He doesn’t care if it’s too hard for one side, not one bit. He wants it to be ‘uncomfortable’.

I get that, kinda. I don’t think that things should be completely balanced, but the last few months…ugh.

It wasn’t just ‘uncomfortable’, it was mostly intolerable. Before Inferno hit, many Amarr corporations went to the forums to explain why it was going to be so horrible for us, they pretty much said that they couldn’t deal with it, and moved on to other things in the game.

Hans would tell me at the time ‘CCP doesn’t know how things are going to play out, no one does’, to which I would say, ‘Yes, we do know how its going to be, read the forums, the Amarr are quitting by the droves’.

And they did. Militia chat would hover around 50 players per night. Minmatar would hover between 275-300.

For MONTHS that went on. How was the Amarr supposed to come back from that? Seriously. How were we supposed to recruit people into ourside of FW when the other sides were making bucketloads of ISK? When we tried to broach the subject with anyone it was met with ‘try harder, quit complaining.’

I would bring the numbers up to various Minmatar, “Oh but most of them are farmers.” To which I’d say ‘So? Those farmers are the ones deciding the fate of the war. They decide Occupancy, they push Minmatar into T4 and T5 giving the Minmatar endless amounts of LP and ISK. Bucketloads.

It was the height of absurdity and it was predictable. It was all very avoidable, I think, but that is besides the point now. What’s done is done. The Minmatar have enough ISK to fund their PVP for years, no joke.

I guess my thing is this. CCP is responsible for our game, but lately it has a feeling that CCP doesn’t really want you to play it. They want it to be so hard that people go elsewhere….so again, how is that good for FW? How is that good for EVE? If you’re making the game so impossibly one-sided, and making it so miserable for one side….why should we continue to pay money to play this? I don’t get it.

They continue to implement things that make it difficult for one side without a thought for the other. For instance, you get LP for killing stuff in FW. Great, ya? But it is scaled, so if you’re on the winning side you get so much more for LP for the same exact kill.

So lets say someone is looking to join FW, what side are they going to choose? The one that makes them the most ISK, or the one where they have to go elsewhere to fund their PVP. Hmm. Tough choice, right?

Right now we pick up recruits that thrive off of being the underdogs, but really, how long do we have to play this role? lol. When are things going to level out a bit? What is CCP’s goal for FW, that everyone be under one militia with no one else to fight? Seriously, I’d like to understand where they are going with FW, what they want it to be.

So here’s my suggestion. CCP Soundwave, come onto our comms for a chat like Hans Jagerblitzen did. Come hear our concerns, come explain why someone should come join Amarr. It would go a long way with us, to know that you really do hear us and that you really do care, because from what we hear from Hans, CCP does not…

~ Shalee

Transmission Lost would probably agree with that to some degree. Or they'd at least like to him get some experience with C2s and stop seeing every mechanic from the lense of a C5/C6 dweller.

Actually, thanks to AIA (AHARM Intelligence Agency), I am actually already in control off all those alliances. I was going to wait to reveal the truth, but you have forced my hand

You explained to hans why the mechanics he was proposing to ccp (and what they actually ended up doing) were broken. They are broken because in an npc faction anyone can choose to fight for the side that gives more moeny. And most people will do that. Very few people in faction war care about roleplay, despite what some in null sec will tell you.

Actually the better idea is just join the winning side yourself. Very few people have the lolroleplay faction loyalties you speak of.