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Need an empire gank resistant Mackinaw fit.
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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-10-03 07:53:35 UTC
JackStraw56 wrote:
[Mackinaw, Tank]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

You won't be able to fit 2 mining upgrades and still have a good buffer. However, they'll probably just come back with a couple extra gank ships and get you anyway....


This will stop a solo thorax or rupture gank, but a cane or brutix will blow right through that, a pair of cruisers can probably also blow through that.

All of the macks ive solo ganked had small extenders and ifields, didn't save em, and this was using a rupture, the mack is typically going pop about 5 seconds before concord shows up in .5 (so not enough time left to get the pod).

your best protection from the goon ganking campaign, move out of gallente space for the time being.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-10-03 11:25:31 UTC
we're paying bonuses for each dead barge in gallente space, and super-tanked barges pay out significantly more than regular barges because the kill represents both extra effort and the crushing of those who try to resist us rather than just moving out of gallente space

feel free to resist though, it provides more content for us than an empty belt

~hi~
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#23 - 2011-10-03 13:38:05 UTC
Just go to the belt with 50 friends and mine.. I mean. they can't gank ALL of your at the same time.. right? Pirate

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#24 - 2011-10-03 14:16:04 UTC
Moar delicious Miner tears: nom, nom, nom.

OP, tank the ever-loving crap out of your Mack, then load your hard-earned Blue Ice in a T1 hauler and fly it through the Uedama/Sivala pipe please.

LOLing at Mocam, Suddenly Violence would like to have a word with you friend. You guys at E Uni shouldn't be spreading bad info like that man.

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Doracos
EVE University
Ivy League
#25 - 2011-10-03 14:27:39 UTC
only way to do it is to know your LOCAL.
check who is with you. add goons morons to you contacts and -10 and make it blinking.
be aware of NPC corps aswell. goons like to quit corp to confuse you.
thats the only way.
Doracos
EVE University
Ivy League
#26 - 2011-10-03 14:28:11 UTC
Xearal wrote:
Just go to the belt with 50 friends and mine.. I mean. they can't gank ALL of your at the same time.. right? Pirate

Smart geddon?:P
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2011-10-03 15:18:10 UTC
Tahna Rouspel wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Spawn Concord in belt with an alt.


This is indeed your only protection. You can also watch local for any Goon related person entering the system.


i ******* love bringing the galtpest out when someone tries this

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#28 - 2011-10-03 15:49:28 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
JackStraw56 wrote:
[Mackinaw, Tank]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

You won't be able to fit 2 mining upgrades and still have a good buffer. However, they'll probably just come back with a couple extra gank ships and get you anyway....


This will stop a solo thorax or rupture gank, but a cane or brutix will blow right through that, a pair of cruisers can probably also blow through that.

All of the macks ive solo ganked had small extenders and ifields, didn't save em, and this was using a rupture, the mack is typically going pop about 5 seconds before concord shows up in .5 (so not enough time left to get the pod).

your best protection from the goon ganking campaign, move out of gallente space for the time being.


That fit has about 21k EHP vs Antimatter (There's really quite a big difference between SSEs and MSEs). What kind of DPS are you getting out of those Brutixes? 700 DPS puts you right on the knife-edge for a single ship in a 0.5. If the miner has arranged gang bonuses, you'll need >800DPS.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2011-10-03 17:58:07 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

That fit has about 21k EHP vs Antimatter (There's really quite a big difference between SSEs and MSEs). What kind of DPS are you getting out of those Brutixes? 700 DPS puts you right on the knife-edge for a single ship in a 0.5. If the miner has arranged gang bonuses, you'll need >800DPS.


21k is enough to take it into 'supertanked' territory where you need two brutixes to be sure

fortunately, supertanked ships get double bounty so it evens out

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2011-10-03 18:00:55 UTC
I mean put it this way: friday, a "good" system to gank in had 20+ macks

today, a good one has two

if you're in the belt, there are a ton of people who are all racing to get there first so they can kill you

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Also Aswell
Apple Industries Inc.
#31 - 2011-10-03 18:56:05 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
[quote=Sir Ibex]


I don't think he wasted 50m at all - you're crying on the forums aren't you? Sounds like mission accomplished to me!


Hmmm.... no. He's not crying. He's asking about a fit.
JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#32 - 2011-10-03 20:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: JackStraw56
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
[quote=JackStraw56][Mackinaw, Tank]
This will stop a solo thorax or rupture gank, but a cane or brutix will blow right through that, a pair of cruisers can probably also blow through that.

All of the macks ive solo ganked had small extenders and ifields, didn't save em, and this was using a rupture, the mack is typically going pop about 5 seconds before concord shows up in .5 (so not enough time left to get the pod).

your best protection from the goon ganking campaign, move out of gallente space for the time being.

I can say from experience that a solo Brutix or Cane is very unlikely to kill this before Concord shows up. As was mentioned, it's about 21k ehp, and if the Brutix is doing 700 dps, it needs a full 30 seconds to take this down.
Xentara Vispari
Storm of Glory
#33 - 2011-10-04 10:18:19 UTC
You will get more tank on a Hulk. Perhaps try something like this:

[Hulk, 31000 HP]
Damage Control II
Micro B88 Core Augmentation

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Can be pushed to ~40K EHP with imps and a fleet booster.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-10-05 13:30:43 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Spawn Concord in belt with an alt.


This can be countered since smart gankers will use same tactics to pull concord away from belts.

Pick an alt, put it in some very heavy tanked shield bs, use highs to rep your Mack, you've just ruined gankers journey.
Goose99
#35 - 2011-10-05 13:37:17 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Spawn Concord in belt with an alt.


This can be countered since smart gankers will use same tactics to pull concord away from belts.

Pick an alt, put it in some very heavy tanked shield bs, use highs to rep your Mack, you've just ruined gankers journey.


Confirming counter doesn't work. Range is low, movement impossible. Even brick BS gets killed fast, fastest nano frig locked down. Been there, done that. This is a goon alt failing at troll.
Sir Ibex
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-10-05 15:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Ibex
The Mittani wrote:
we're paying bonuses for each dead barge in gallente space, and super-tanked barges pay out significantly more than regular barges because the kill represents both extra effort and the crushing of those who try to resist us rather than just moving out of gallente space

feel free to resist though, it provides more content for us than an empty belt


Oh, off course you can bet your arse that I will resist and continue pulling in ice. Thanks to teh goons, it is now actually worth my time to mine something in empire! The price for ice is increasing, quite rapidly in certain areas actually, and you guys are losing a lot more money and standing then I ever will to make that happen! You guys are actually going out of your way to make this game more fun, why should I be "crying" like some people in this thread say?

By all means, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, continue ganking Mackinaws in Empire space!
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#37 - 2011-10-05 16:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Solomar Espersei wrote:
Moar delicious Miner tears: nom, nom, nom.

OP, tank the ever-loving crap out of your Mack, then load your hard-earned Blue Ice in a T1 hauler and fly it through the Uedama/Sivala pipe please.

LOLing at Mocam, Suddenly Violence would like to have a word with you friend. You guys at E Uni shouldn't be spreading bad info like that man.


TBH I had the best PvP fight I have ever had in eve with one of your guys about 18-20 months ago. I lost a buffer typhoon, but it was a fight to the hull where we both had a neutral RR. Imagine my delight when I got revenge inadvertently a couple weeks ago by putting a tank on my mackinaw and going AFk, and coming back to 2 Tears battleship wrecks.

To OP, you can tank against gankers, but you cant tank against a large gang of gankers. Just mine other ice for now, or tank them once and then leave before they return with more alpha.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-10-05 16:40:06 UTC
Someone's been doing something right; I keep losing Hurricanes with no joy.

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Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#39 - 2011-10-05 16:54:31 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
we're paying bonuses for each dead barge in gallente space, and super-tanked barges pay out significantly more than regular barges because the kill represents both extra effort and the crushing of those who try to resist us rather than just moving out of gallente space

feel free to resist though, it provides more content for us than an empty belt



CSM = license to troll I see >.>
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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-10-05 17:02:13 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
This is a goon alt failing at troll.


Fail. (but you can keep your idea if you fell better)


Lol