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Need an empire gank resistant Mackinaw fit.

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Sir Ibex
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-01 22:59:07 UTC
WTF?! I got my Mackinaw raped by a Goon today in a 0.5 ice belt. He was in a Hurricane. Shocked
In the 5 years of me playing this game, no one ever attempted to blow up my mining ship in empire space.. Heh, this is EVE, so there's a first time for everything! Serves me right for ASSUMING no one would bother with this stuff.

Looks like this guy has no life and does it just for kicks, because he barley got 10 mil from my destroyed ship if even that. Cant imagine how all the time spent prowling ore and ice belts, playing with EFT and creating a perfect fit was worth it just to destroy a Mackinaw. The guy wasted like 50 mil just to kill me! Roll

Anyway, I am trying to create a fit which can withstand an attack in 0.5 long enough for the concord to show up. So far I dont see any way to pull this off because I must use 2x Ice Harvester Upgrade IIs and that leaves me with no CPU for any sort of shield extenders or any other upgrades. Rigs are an option, but they dont seem to raise resistances very much.

Is there any solution here short of getting rid of IHUs?

Thanks.
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-01 23:00:14 UTC
You want to invest in a deadspace shieldbooster and t2 rigs to get enough buffer.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2011-10-01 23:51:50 UTC
Comy 1 wrote:
You want to invest in a deadspace shieldbooster and t2 rigs to get enough buffer.


You're a bad person.
Sir Ibex
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-02 00:06:41 UTC
Comy 1 wrote:
You want to invest in a deadspace shieldbooster and t2 rigs to get enough buffer.


So next time the Goon can gank me again and get the booster?
Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-10-02 00:33:01 UTC
If it's specifically the goons you are hiding from, stay away from ice fields in gallente space.
Goose99
#6 - 2011-10-02 01:44:41 UTC
Spawn Concord in belt with an alt.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#7 - 2011-10-02 02:44:39 UTC
Linkage

If you're unaware of the operation you may find the above link valuable.


If, on the other hand, this thread is a reaction to the above thread then, to be honest, there isn't all that much you can do in terms of fitting - and anything published on these forums is likely to be countered by a re-evaluation in their SOP anyway....
Tash'k Omar
Indefinite Mass
#8 - 2011-10-02 04:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tash'k Omar
Sir Ibex wrote:
...a fit which can withstand an attack in 0.5...

...

...I must use 2x Ice Harvester Upgrade IIs...

..



Impossible. Choose one or the other.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#9 - 2011-10-02 08:03:30 UTC
Sir Ibex wrote:


Looks like this guy has no life and does it just for kicks, because he barley got 10 mil from my destroyed ship if even that. Cant imagine how all the time spent prowling ore and ice belts, playing with EFT and creating a perfect fit was worth it just to destroy a Mackinaw. The guy wasted like 50 mil just to kill me! Roll




I don't think he wasted 50m at all - you're crying on the forums aren't you? Sounds like mission accomplished to me!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#10 - 2011-10-02 08:55:12 UTC
[Mackinaw, Tank]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Medium Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

You won't be able to fit 2 mining upgrades and still have a good buffer. However, they'll probably just come back with a couple extra gank ships and get you anyway....
Swordfingers
The Swollen Horse Society
#11 - 2011-10-02 08:59:57 UTC
Sir Ibex wrote:
... I must use 2x Ice Harvester Upgrade IIs ...

No you don't. You're just greedy and deserve to be ganked.
Wa'roun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-02 09:03:20 UTC
The best fitting is a 40km wide station around your ship.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-02 09:17:30 UTC
Sir Ibex wrote:

Is there any solution here short of getting rid of IHUs?

Thanks.



Get rid of the Mackinaw for now. Whatever fit you use with it, you're going to lose it fast. Even if the gankers have to bring a couple of batleships for that, they will do it. And with cheap T1 metas and insurance, it will cost them a lot less to lose a couple BS, far less a couple of BC, than for you to lose a Mack.

Take a covetor, insure it, tank it as much as you can (damage control mandatory, shield extender, invul field, etc...). And above all else, don't lose your cool if you lose your ship, any angry reaction is for them an open invitation to gank you again.

Your IHU won't do you good if you lose your ship. Stop being greedy.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2011-10-02 10:03:40 UTC
No MLUs for you.

[Mackinaw, Toughened]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II

Medium Shield Extender II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Basic Heat Dissipation Amplifier

Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5

20k EHP, if you can find a friendly Vulture pilot to give you gang bonuses, you can get past 25k.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-02 12:10:14 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
Linkage

If you're unaware of the operation you may find the above link valuable.


If, on the other hand, this thread is a reaction to the above thread then, to be honest, there isn't all that much you can do in terms of fitting - and anything published on these forums is likely to be countered by a re-evaluation in their SOP anyway....


Gankers aren't gods of foreknowledge with all seeing and all knowing abilities. They go with minimum to get the job done based upon what they've faced. If targets take multiple ships - then batches of them lose status in a hurry.

As such, a well tanked ship can survive them well enough and avoiding lower sec space can save you a lot of grief in the long term. It doesn't work well dumping sec status repeatedly while trying the same target and concord tends to sit in the last attempt location for a while.

Finding concord in a location makes it pretty safe from all but raw alpha kill abilities and tanking a ship makes that expensive and risky for the gankers.

This goons event will mess a little but, overall, I don't see them sticking to it well enough to make it anything major. They'll lose enough security status to end up unable to reach the targets - IF those targets tank up a bit and operate with some sensibility - the latter often seems in short supply by many industrialist types - 'but my profits!' ... zero when you keep losing untanked ships.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-10-02 15:18:33 UTC
Join DRF and ice mine there?

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2011-10-02 18:21:40 UTC
seconding the deadspace booster and t2 rigs idea

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2011-10-02 18:39:46 UTC
Mocam wrote:

This goons event will mess a little but, overall, I don't see them sticking to it well enough to make it anything major. They'll lose enough security status to end up unable to reach the targets -


You can do empire ganks with a -10.00 sec status.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2011-10-02 19:05:13 UTC
-9.73 and still gankin away

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Tahna Rouspel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-10-03 01:29:43 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Spawn Concord in belt with an alt.


This is indeed your only protection. You can also watch local for any Goon related person entering the system.
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