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Dev Blog: More from you and less from the evil nasty NPC

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Udonor
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-10-24 11:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Udonor
Sedilis wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA OMG! That is awesome. I now have floating in space a container with 100,000,000 m3 storage and 100,000,000 structure HP.

Suffice it to say this needs to change. Will let you know ASAP what we are changing about it.

Oh god, that is funny though.


Great thank you Smile

Anchoring cans in our wspace "friends" systems with "greetings" on them is already popular. But dumping stacks of them at a POS which would take hours of shooting with Dreads seems a bit too cruelTwisted



Or the perfect way to stop stealth ships from spying on you.

I do wonder how many cans it would take to make redocking at POS in capital difficult like roid belt.

A floating debris belt around customs station already makes shooting PI haulers into fish in a barrel time (never warp). Now if you couldn't blow them up without hours or days work....

I am more in favor of removing all non-loot cans from space entirely -- such pranks are tedious and really only funny a couple times. Its mainly overview clutter that should be cleared by system drones. If you got amusing jokes or recruiting ads or warnings...maybe CCP needs to just add tabs for system/gate/station graffitti channels. Or since its is grafffitti just expand the view function for stations & gates to see graffitti scrawled on such structures.
Doc J
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#102 - 2012-10-24 12:31:24 UTC
I would much rather manufacture erotic dancers for my pleasure but thats just me.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#103 - 2012-10-24 12:52:11 UTC
I've read the thread, and note the general welcome for removing the NPC seeding, but what is more noticable is the players requesting a general overhaul of the entire container system.

I tried using audit cans once many moons ago and quickly gave up as they sucked. Big time. As usual they never did any of the obvious thing that one would expect of them, or else were just horribly bugged. Were any changes made to cans as part of the UI interface overhaul? If not could we squeeze in any improvements now? More friendly audit logs, customisable dividioning etc. etc..

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2012-10-24 13:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Desert Ice78 wrote:
... but what is more noticable is the players requesting a general overhaul of the entire container system.


This is CCP your talking about. They don't overhaul anything, they just take hold of the turd and polish it until it shines. Cool

I thought that the overview could do with a re-design but apparently i was wrong, what i actually wanted is for the target reticule to be round and not square... Who knew?! Blink

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#105 - 2012-10-24 14:02:04 UTC
Sedilis wrote:
If these containers assemble if jetted in space it will mean the station containers could never be re-scooped and you'd have to either wait for them to de-spawn or destroy them.

Despawn is 30 days if not opened or never if near a POS so that is not a good option.

If we have to destroy them please make it so they have less HP. Station containers have the same a medium POS at the moment and it would be a nightmare to clean them up if someone dumps several in your system.


Maybe unanchored containers shouldn't be guaranteed to persist past downtime?

Or they need to eject in unassembled state if they weren't already assembled? I'm guessing that would get into some very thorny code, which may be why they don't want to touch that before winter.
Robbie Robot
Exiled Kings
Pain And Compliance
#106 - 2012-10-24 14:58:52 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
I can't say I approve of this change.

While the small cans etc make moving things around in ships etc easier, what with their tardis effect, the station warehouses and the likes only serve one purpose; to fill the hole which is the crappy single-division inventory system.

Users should not have to rely on someone shuttling around in freighters to make the inventory system slightly more tolerable.

IMO station containers need to be available in any and all stations, until such a time that CCP makes an inventory system with native divisioning.

I'd love a division inventory system. Unified inventory took away speed, and didn't give much back.
Dominus Alterai
Star Freaks
#107 - 2012-10-24 15:16:40 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
I've read the thread, and note the general welcome for removing the NPC seeding, but what is more noticable is the players requesting a general overhaul of the entire container system.

I tried using audit cans once many moons ago and quickly gave up as they sucked. Big time. As usual they never did any of the obvious thing that one would expect of them, or else were just horribly bugged. Were any changes made to cans as part of the UI interface overhaul? If not could we squeeze in any improvements now? More friendly audit logs, customisable dividioning etc. etc..

Not really. the Audit log containers still suck. The biggest issue many people have (including me) is the wait time to repackage those. If you're in need of a way to organize your personal hanger, I recommend using general freight containers instead. Sure, they don't hold as much, but if you move a lot (like I do) it's well worth it. That and you can rename, repackage, and resell them if you have no more need of them.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#108 - 2012-10-24 15:21:58 UTC
Why is CBD Corporation selling probes? Question

The Caldari have several NPC mining corporations too, you know.

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Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#109 - 2012-10-24 15:57:44 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
Luc Chastot wrote:
This is good; however, makes me wonder if you're designing new ISK sinks. Or maybe you're going to cut down dramatically on ISK faucets?



i really hope that CCP will increase the (highsec) market tax and the (highsec) costs for industrial lines in the winter expansion to take some ISK out of the game. and help lowsec and nullsec industry


Nul & low sec isn't really designed or meant for industrial activity tbh. Resource gathering yes but not really construction. There is enough tax in high sec as it is. High sec PI tax for instance is ridiculous compared to the amounts available on planet. A real world comparison would be an ordinary guy earning twenty grand per annum getting taxed left,right,& centre compared to a company like Starbucks paying no tax for yearsAttention

Hopefully when DUST is released any taxes on PI from the mercs will br targeted at low & nul sec to even the score.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-10-24 17:26:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
CCP FoxFour wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA OMG! That is awesome. I now have floating in space a container with 100,000,000 m3 storage and 100,000,000 structure HP.

Suffice it to say this needs to change. Will let you know ASAP what we are changing about it.

Oh god, that is funny though.


Aaargh ruining my hopes of a (nearly) infinite POS storage, without using any PG or CPU! P

[edit] if they could be passworded, they'd solve 90% of the current problems with living in a POS.
Jaden Soniel
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-10-24 19:20:54 UTC
im not sure if this question is raised by someone already, but will this mean that repackaged containers can be put into containers?
Doddy
Excidium.
#112 - 2012-10-24 19:38:26 UTC
Do you guys not worry that removing stuff we buy direct from npcs is removing isk sinks? I know the numbers for these things is tiny but when you addit to all the PI stuff, pos etc it does add up.
Doddy
Excidium.
#113 - 2012-10-24 19:40:00 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Why is CBD Corporation selling probes? Question

The Caldari have several NPC mining corporations too, you know.


Cos they are probe manufacturers .......
Sassums
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#114 - 2012-10-24 20:20:47 UTC
So how will this affect those of us residing in wormholes?

Why does CCP continue to neglect those of us in wormhole space?

When will CCP address the security concerns with the current horrible POS Permissions and Corp Permissions system?

These Container changes are good for those worried about security of their items in WH Space, but naturally you neglect to address how these changes will affect us, if at all.

You introduced WH's and now you completely ignore them and it's getting old.

If you aren't going to update content after its been introduced, don't introduce it.
Cerulean Ice
Royal Amarr Reclamation
#115 - 2012-10-24 21:31:04 UTC
Jaden Soniel wrote:
im not sure if this question is raised by someone already, but will this mean that repackaged containers can be put into containers?

See https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2088207#post2088207 ^^ question 2

Cerulean Ice, Professor, E-UNI
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#116 - 2012-10-25 00:43:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rented
Rented wrote:
Inb4 there's a bug letting you assemble station warehouses in CHAs...

Yeah probably not... but glitched 100mil m^3 CHAs would be awesome...

CCP FoxFour wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA OMG! That is awesome. I now have floating in space a container with 100,000,000 m3 storage and 100,000,000 structure HP.

Suffice it to say this needs to change. Will let you know ASAP what we are changing about it.

Oh god, that is funny though.


I was so close!! Yet so far away ='(
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#117 - 2012-10-25 01:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
CCP FoxFour wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA OMG! That is awesome. I now have floating in space a container with 100,000,000 m3 storage and 100,000,000 structure HP.

Suffice it to say this needs to change. Will let you know ASAP what we are changing about it.

Oh god, that is funny though.


What needs to change? Just the EHP? I can imagine the benefits of an unflippable jet can, even if most of the benefit is measured in quantity of tears extracted from wannabe elite PvPers.

Allowing enormous containers to be jettisoned and password protected will go a long way towards helping POS-based corps protect their assets. I could dump a station container at a safe spot, and as long as I visit it once a month I will have my stuff safely stowed. Well, right up until the point that someone probes me down and blows up my can.

Sounds like a decent stopgap between current POSes and the bright, rose-scented future of star bases.

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Cerulean Ice
Royal Amarr Reclamation
#118 - 2012-10-25 02:47:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cerulean Ice
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Have you not ever seen when killmails... sorry kill reports before Punkturis kills me, love to randomly say that your ship was using other ships as a weapon? Clearly I was referring to a luncher that shoots retributions as ammo, because balance! :P

-snip-

So if these new launchers are shooting retributions, do they do more damage to targets with high bounties?

Cerulean Ice, Professor, E-UNI
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#119 - 2012-10-25 14:26:35 UTC
Due to the desire from people in this thread, and some other reason, we have decided that there needs to be some new containers. Specifically in the category of freight containers, ones that have the same capacity and volume so can be used in freighters.

This is what I am currently thinking:

Small Freight Container: 1,000 m3
Medium Freight Container: 5,000 m3
Large Freight Container: 10,000 m3
Huge Freight Container: 120,000 m3 (the current General Freight Container)

I am upset that small does not mean 120 m3 like small does for all other use cases in containers. This goes the same for medium and large. So I maybe want to find a new name for them.

Do we need the 1,000 m3 version?

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Arydanika
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#120 - 2012-10-25 14:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Arydanika
CCP FoxFour wrote:

Do we need the 1,000 m3 version?


Na. The rest of it looks spot on. Usually modules "below the standard" are given the Civilian tag. Maybe Civilian Freight Containers or Micro Freight Containers? On twitter kuramanga brought up secure containers. Any plans for those?

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