Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Some people like wearing their tinfoil hats :) I personally encrypt everything else but when it comes to Eve Online I don't care at all about what my own client saves. But all that stuff can be removed by the client anyway to reduce file size and reduce meta gaming. I don't see CCP caring about meta gaming either since it's such a big part of the main game so they may take the same standpoint. Hard to say without feedback. I'm sure it would be reduced with guesstimates and encrypted to just make it hard for your average Joe to mess with.

In a way I'd agree with you there, in that if you're stupid enough to fall for a fake video, then you deserve to be fooled. Peeps might just be afraid that it'll flood Eve with crap videos that YouTube is already flooded with, then add some faked videos to top it all off. If that happened the tool would be made redundant. :/

Definitely agreed here. Like get the server to give it a hash check when recording is completed. This verification key can be used then to make sure that the file is legit, and it's subsequent vids are also legit. Guaranteeing authenticity :)

Absolutely agreed. Most of the info can be guessed by the client, like how modern day data compression is done. MP3's remove audio we can't hear anyway, MP4's remove video content that is repeated multiple times from frames to reduce the final size making things FAR more efficient. There's no reason the final product from the recorder can't do the same. CCP's monkeys are optimization obsessed, so this might even be a priority one day :D

Quit asking for it

An unverifiable battle recorder is much easier, and 100% less strain on the servers than any solution that uses verification. Just don't worry about it, but cause if it keeps getting pushed, they will keep worrying about solving it, and the tool will never release. They already HAVE the tool, in an unverifiable form, as CCP Atlas posted. At this point, the main issue would most likely be one of a UI that doesn't require scripting the camera in a text file in advance, or something similar.

Add verification, and your talking about recoding the API system to allow the pulling and calculations of that data at the very least, which is a much larger project.

Treat it as the video version of the chat/combat logs we already have.

I'm not sure how many people have played Quake and Half-life (or Counterstrike) but there's a pretty low impact way to record demo files in game that is entirely client side. Essentially you start recording gameplay to a local file (that is fairly slim), and can replay it back in the client using the engine etc. Anything that is supported serverside has the potential to bog down the game for everyone and also can cause a headache from a technical support standpoint.

Keep it slim, simple, and client side. Also if someone hacks a client side file, who really cares as long as it doesn't have an in-game impact.

Thanks and bump I guess.

They should have OpenCL and Multi-Threading Support for when you actually compile the videos, that way you can reduce the amount of time it takes.

Nuladen got there before all us. And my first post was before yours either way. And there's another guy who I can't find who posted it before me too, sometime in '06.

So at the very least you're #4 to propose the idea and there's probably more, but the purpose of this thread isn't kudos or epeen-comparisons or feeding trolls, it's about the Battle-Recorder.

And anyway, they clearly don't want it more than we do

Thanks for the bump though <3

@Amaroq Dricaldari Absolutely agreed! But first lets convince CCP to add it

@Sirigana Negik I can't take all the credit, but I'm not gonna rest 'til we have it. It was an idea I came up with myself, but these threads have only shown me that there's a lot of people that have wanted this same idea (in one form or another) since 2004. So we've actually been waiting for this kind of tech for almost 8 years...

Just want to say, it was iD Software that came up with the recording functionality in game first :)
Lag free also :)

Never heard of Quake ? :)

Is a good idea especially for those like myself that do YouTube recordings.

For CCP it would be excellent boost to marketing as it would allow more players who couldn't in the past, to upload video's and show functionality of the game to more potential customers

For storage of the data and videos, they should be stored locally but maybe the Eve launcher could have some sort of Video manager that would allow users to directly upload to Facebook / YouTube

No. Lol

Now yer talkin.

I've been playing first person shooters since Wolfenstein 3D. Doom. I was nearly raised by John Carmack.

Useful addition. No reason why it couldn't be a part of the client.

The data/log collection could be simple. As mentioned, it would need some more data to be sent to the clients, which would be a little more server side load (I think that's fine, personally, as time dilation takes a bit of the risk in that out of the equation). I don't see the extra data (damage done and such) as really being necessary though.

Recording the logs is the easy part though. In reality, what is really needed is CCP's in-house video creation system (used in their trailers, and I believe the last Clear Skies vid) that can render the logs. More importantly, the logs should be freely editable.

Wanted to stop and and point something else out.

No more info needs to be sent to the client because the client knows where people are, when they fire, and when they blow up. The specifics(such as how much damage was done, etc) don't need to be there because they are irrelevant.

We aren't asking for a full on simulator, we are asking for a playback feature that shows you what you could see before, thats all.