Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Actually, I just wanted to raise a discussion on that aspect of the feature rather than voice my own opinion, but since you asked it's more on the line:
- The possibility to change how an event occurred ingame while promoting it outside the game opens some interesting possibilities, as long as it is not trivial to do so and there is some method to acquire verified data from the server.

I will try to clarify with a few examples.

Locally stored fittings for instance is a very bad example. It is too easy to create a capsule fitting with a DD weapon of each race, plus four developer guns.

I think a better example is how a few killboards used to operate. You could provide your API to the site, then any KM you got or you suffered would be automatically added to it, and displayed as API verified. Or you could manually upload your kills, but there would always be some doubt about it, since that data could have been compromised.

Let me try to give an example of how the battle recorder could work that would minimize the metagaming bit:
1) Your corp/alliance starts to form up for a gang.
2) Right before you depart, the FC asks everyone to start recording.
3) You get around and get some fights.
4) When the gang is about to disband, the FC asks everyone to send their recorded files to Joe, the guy in the gang who loves to make vids and such.
5) Joe opens the battle player and imput all files he has.
6) The battle player extracts as much information as possible from each file and put it all together.
7) Joe does all the editing work (start and end points, camera instructions, etc) and then creates the final file.
8) Joe then submits the file to a validation queue in the eve server within, say, 48h from the fight.
9) The server verifies that no extra data were added comparing to its internal logs.
10) The server calculates a hash from the file and notifies Joe.
11) Joe makes a vid using the battle player (so non-players can see it too) and also makes the final file available in a website.
12) His Eve peers download the file from Joe's website and open it in their battle player.
13) The battle player calculates the hash from the file and sends it to an API service.
14) The API service checks that the hash is in the list of files already verified and notifies the battle recorder.
15) The battle recorder displays that the file was verified.

There are some points to be worked out:
- Perhaps it adds too much extra effort for everyone to record then share files.
- You could only get the viewpoint of the people that sent you their recorded data.
- There is one loophole in step 9, since you could go for a trial and error process with the eve server to get unknown information.

It also keeps some room for people that try to make some propaganda by manipulating the data, but other players will always be suspicious if you just prevent them to verify that your vids were made from authentic data.

Right now client performing recording dont know many things about battle, and use assumptions:

- it dont know who is targeting who apart from who You are targeting and who targets You
- it dont know what damage is dealt to whom apart from you dealing and receiving damage
- IT KNOWS who shoots/web/neut/etc who and run animation for that between those two ships
- IT DONT KNOWS what rate of fire this effect has, so it uses constant rate of fire for given weapon for all ships
- all its known about fittings is what is visible at ships model (turret type and if some utilities hi's are present)
- And finally it have no idea about skills of participants

So there is no problem with fitting being available to all. Client know pretty much nothing about combat, except for movement, firing, dying and warping in and out

So there is no problem with specific reverse engineering of stuff from battle recording apart from basic tactics (see who is using what, if they actually use it) and maneuvers

AND +1 by the way

All I can tell you is. If you do get this in. I and along with all my "Sir. Community" friends will be in here like a shot. We at "Sir." have a long history of making video game movies. And this is the sort of tool we like to use. We even made our own for BF2.

http://www.sircommunity.com/software-battledirector.html


Anyway. CCP, Get it done. Why? because with every video that the capusers make is free advertising for your (and our) game.

A really awesome proposal TOP !!!
+1

I do hope this idea will be implemented in the future. The benefits would just add to EVE greatly.

+1

+1

I would also need to be defibrilated back to life.

That there is the plan

In a way you're right, they don't. But that might mean creating another library of reference numbers for the different items in the game so that all that data doens't get recorded in the file itself. It lends to a much larger problem than that that already exists

Yea, we can only pray for Darwinism tbh

+ >9000

Quick post, I think it should be renamed to Black Box, so I can make inappropriate docking-undocking & penetration inuendos while making movies.