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Battle-Recorder · Eve's Very Own Built-In Fight Record Tool

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Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#261 - 2014-05-15 13:18:44 UTC
Beuller?
Shivanthar
#262 - 2014-05-15 13:51:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivanthar
Supported
+1

I'm an old FPS player, and I had recorded a lot of matches in the past q1-q2-q3, hl1, cs, etc, etc...

The general plus of a dedicated recorder on a client is that, it doesn't record the video, but the blob, then it is possible to watch from anyone's point of view (even npcs!).

For example, while playing back, left mouse click would simply switch players on the grid or on the system. Heck, you can even get a search box and write a name in it in order to watch from its point of view Blink

Excellent idea.

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Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#263 - 2014-05-15 14:35:18 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:
Supported
+1

I'm an old FPS player, and I had recorded a lot of matches in the past q1-q2-q3, hl1, cs, etc, etc...

The general plus of a dedicated recorder on a client is that, it doesn't record the video, but the blob, then it is possible to watch from anyone's point of view (even npcs!).

For example, while playing back, left mouse click would simply switch players on the grid or on the system. Heck, you can even get a search box and write a name in it in order to watch from its point of view Blink

Excellent idea.


Yes - the same place I got used to this. As a member of the UK Quake team way back when, analysis on matches was essential. To be able to analyse a large fight this way, or watch a historical battle, see it on youtube, download it to replay from whatever angle or viewpoint.

Its not new or unique, but would make eve marvelous. I could show people how to play (or not) with some clarity.
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
#264 - 2014-05-15 14:52:00 UTC
HTC NecoSino wrote:
This thread seems great. The only issue is that it does not help Goons farm easier or safer, therefor CCP will never implement it, sorry. :(
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#265 - 2014-05-21 09:26:14 UTC
Supportive bump.

The joy when I saw a dev speaking as if this was possible happening soon(tm) - only to then get my hopes crushed seeing it was posted back in 2011.

This better still in some backlog - no matter how dusty or worn from time. Big smile

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Dragoon Trilogy
Novus Horadrim
#266 - 2014-06-03 20:42:00 UTC
I was about to start a thread for this idea so I'm glad to see the idea has been around for a while now and discussed. The tool would have a lot of value beyond just recording videos after the fact. It could be useful for new players to see the epic scale the game can get to in battles like B-R or for teaching new techniques. It would be infinitely useful for pilots and FCs to be able to replay encounters to analyze strategy. Killboards only say so much and even being a part of a conflict things are missed. Having a replay available would be extremely useful in many applications. Several games offer this feature and I would imagine it isnt that difficult to implement. I too am sad this idea has been around for so long with as much attention it has for only a single blue post and years of it not happening. Common, EVE is the best game ever and people need to be able to enjoy it to its fullest.
Devoyd
A Murder Of Crows.
Homicidal Tendencies.
#267 - 2014-07-23 19:52:44 UTC
Seems this idea has potential; drawback should only be on the client side since position and states are pushed to the client anyway. Should be a matter of logging the data and playing it back with free camera controls. This would be by far one of the best additions to the game in a long time.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#268 - 2014-07-23 20:13:07 UTC
All of my support.

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Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#269 - 2014-07-24 09:04:53 UTC
Supported like a comfortable truss.

Hell, stop giving ships paint jobs, start giving us useful things.
Fourteen Maken
Karma and Causality
#270 - 2014-07-24 14:36:48 UTC
+1

This would be a gold mine for the marketing department. Look at eve fleet battles posted on third party websites people who haven't played eve just see blue boxes shooting at red boxes and it looks like a load of nonsense, if we had a cinematic replay feature it could render even more detail than the live action footage, and allow for camera control which could produce some pretty epic game play footage. Not something I would ever use, but I think it would help attract more players to the game and that would be good for everyone.
Devoyd
A Murder Of Crows.
Homicidal Tendencies.
#271 - 2014-07-29 21:40:15 UTC
How is this not a thing yet?
Netan MalDoran
Cathedral.
Shadow Cartel
#272 - 2014-07-30 05:10:53 UTC
I'm all for this.

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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#273 - 2014-07-30 11:40:28 UTC
Just a question from a layman.

If you 'only' save positional data, how do you get any direction for the models, any ewar effects, any weapon effects, maneuvers, missile flights, and other graphic effects ?

I mean, I love the vids, but this seems to be a bit off and not comapreable with a FPS, where position, vector and weapon activation might be all you need.
Devoyd
A Murder Of Crows.
Homicidal Tendencies.
#274 - 2014-07-30 16:21:57 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
Just a question from a layman.

If you 'only' save positional data, how do you get any direction for the models, any ewar effects, any weapon effects, maneuvers, missile flights, and other graphic effects ?

I mean, I love the vids, but this seems to be a bit off and not comapreable with a FPS, where position, vector and weapon activation might be all you need.


You have a misconception on how eve works. It IS just vectors and activation states; graphic effects such as missiles and ship trails are handled on the client side.
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#275 - 2014-08-04 07:42:07 UTC
Devoyd wrote:
How is this not a thing yet?
I know right? Shocked

Support Eve's own built-in Battle-Recorder!
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#276 - 2014-08-04 08:12:57 UTC
Devoyd wrote:
You have a misconception on how eve works. It IS just vectors and activation states; graphic effects such as missiles and ship trails are handled on the client side.

That is exactly what I meant, how do you replicate what actually happened afterwards ? It might be displayed for everyone similar at the actual event, but a reconstruction can only be wrong ... like hearsay. Am just saying, there seems to be a conflict for me. And Missiles for example are not handled client side, which is why they are such a strain.
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#277 - 2014-09-14 15:10:18 UTC
Entirely possible you are right but there's no reason that the client snapshot cannot include accurate data fed from the server and just flag it as such.

I'm sure the Eve client already deals with this very efficiently and all I'm asking is CCP recreates this for playback of a recorded battle.

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Brutalis Furia
Hammer and Anvil Industries
#278 - 2014-09-14 20:34:32 UTC
Supported! +1

If only to be able to see the entirety of things like B-R5RB without the TiDi after the fact.

It'd also be a great tool for FC's to use to improve their pilots. Something similar to what coaches do with video footage of games.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#279 - 2014-09-15 08:00:04 UTC
so yes. very agree. much record. many replay. wow, excellent idea. +9,000
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#280 - 2014-09-18 17:04:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ninjaholic
Brutalis Furia wrote:
Supported! +1

If only to be able to see the entirety of things like B-R5RB without the TiDi after the fact.

► It'd also be a great tool for FC's to use to improve their pilots. Something similar to what coaches do with video footage of games.
This is one of the biggest reasons I suggested the idea. This and to teach new players to either the game, corp, alliance, Faction or fleet warfare how to fly a ship they're either skilled/skilling for or required to fly in a specific role.

The potential for learning new ways to fly is enormous!

Support Eve's own built-in Battle-Recorder!