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Heart of Amarr Dying or Dead?
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entroncas
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-10-30 12:41:40 UTC
Is UK still alive? or is another season of the walking deadQuestion
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-10-31 18:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: von Khan
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Well two things I am not going to do is one: Get into a quoting competition with my mirror and two: Argue blood on my hands with an admitted slaver.

You claim to have set free people and have little blood on your hands but I might inquire as to how loose your philosophical interpretation of free is and how twisted your meaning behind having blood on your hands is. By endorsing slavery in any capacity you accept countless innocents lost under the bowels of slave ships. There is no way the literal blood on my hands could compare to the figurative blood on your own.

Taking these factors into account and the basic teachings of morality and faith instilled by all socially accepted religious structures it becomes obvious that the Amarr and the Sansha are on the same misinformation trip for the increased material power of slavery foregoing the loss of spiritual connectivity to ones own system of faith.



Your thirst for revenge blinds you brother... One can only become a slave by being sentenced to slavery by an authorized Amarr organization. Most so-called "Slavers" are in fact criminals only bent on profit, and the punishment under Amarr law for illegal slave raids is death.

The Amarr keep slaves to profit from them!
Pure nonsense. Anyone knows that paid laborers work much more efficient than slaves. By employing slaves the Amarr economy as a whole suffers. It is one of the sacrifices the Amarr make in order to pay for the salvation of souls. Wealth is not our primary concern, teaching faith and morality is.

On your unconscious self analysis, you reach truth here;

"Negativity only sedates the intellect allowing the self/soul to thirst in the vacuum of spirit."

Your attempt of justifying yourself is a cry from your soul that is drifting to perversion. Repent brother. Nothing separated us from God but our own will, or rather our own will is our separation from God.

von Khan
Roga Dracor
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-11-01 16:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Nay, good sir. Our lack of will is our seperation from God. The will is driven by the mind and only a weakness of the mind and it's constituent weakness of will seperates us from God.

In like fashion, we are all slaves to our own mind. Only a strong, well tempered mind can approach any true measure of freedom. If there is such a beast?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#24 - 2012-11-03 10:46:19 UTC
von Khan wrote:


The Amarr keep slaves to profit from them!
Pure nonsense. Anyone knows that paid laborers work much more efficient than slaves. By employing slaves the Amarr economy as a whole suffers. It is one of the sacrifices the Amarr make in order to pay for the salvation of souls. Wealth is not our primary concern, teaching faith and morality is.


Do you realise the tens of billions of slaves in your "empire" carry out all the menial tasks Amarrian elitist's wouldn't do, after all god's work is in enslaving and freeing other's through forced un paid work, isn't it?

But let's carry on pretending the Amarr are selfless samaritans, it's not like they rely on slavery for their entire baseline workforce is it, oh wait.

.....
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#25 - 2012-11-03 23:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
The Minmatar Republic would like to remind everyone that they have no prisons in their society, no convicts and never use convict labor for anything.

They would also like to remind you that all Minmatar free citizens caught with copies of the "Pax Ammaria" or confessing to practicing the Amarr religion have all willingly volunteered to crush rocks on ice covered moons for the rest of their natural lives entirely out of their selfless dedication to the cause of freedom.

They would also like to remind any Amarrian that that if any of your ancestors from over 400 years ago had any Minmatar blood in them then that makes you Matari and gives them the right to come to your planet & "liberate" you back to the Republic - with a bag over your head, if need be.

The reason for this is twofold: One, because they oppose slavery. Two, because despite being twenty generations removed from the Matari, the Republic still considers you to be one of "their" people and they want their property back.

If you refuse to cooperate with this "liberation" then your liberators will respect your decision & freedom of choice by stabbing you with bayonets and writing "traitor" on the wall in your blood.

They would also like to make it clear that in 400 years not a single slave was ever convicted of an actual crime, nor has any ever been released from bondage, and that every descendent of every slave every take back then is still serving to this day. Not a single one has ever risen above that status and every last one has no cultural connection to Amarrian people that they've spent their entire lives with.

Remember, in the Republic you area always free to choose to what you want to do or believe so long as what you choose to do or believe is exactly what the Republic wants.

The sound of the Amarrian heart
Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-11-04 05:59:36 UTC
Precisely! How often does the same person accuse us of profiting by the work of Slaves and then point out that Slavery is an inefficient labour model.

We know it is. We don't necessarily take Slaves solely for the sweat of their brow. Scripture tells us that discipline and physical labour are the best ways to set someone's feet onto the first steps of the path that leads to God.

As for the complaint that Slaves get all the menial jobs, I would first point out that plenty of Slaves have more cerebral jobs. Of the five Slaves that are part of my household one acts as my household manager and another coordinates my infogathering and research data. Both tasks are as responsible and the Datagirl's job is probably more intellectual than my own job would have been if I'd succeeded my parents as a trade factor on my homeworld.

That aside, yes we have an underclass that does our menial work. The Caldari have one. The Gallente have one. The Matari have an underclass as well. I'm sure that Shakor doesn't wash his own skivvies or cook his own food. I'm sure that he COULD do so if he had to, but then so could I.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#27 - 2012-11-04 17:17:04 UTC
Chocolate chip ice cream is superior to plain vanilla.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#28 - 2012-11-04 17:21:10 UTC
Don't you people ever get tired of rehashing the same old arguments?
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-11-04 19:15:03 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
Nay, good sir. Our lack of will is our seperation from God. The will is driven by the mind and only a weakness of the mind and it's constituent weakness of will seperates us from God.

In like fashion, we are all slaves to our own mind. Only a strong, well tempered mind can approach any true measure of freedom. If there is such a beast?


I think we agree in part - by "will", I mean the need to justify our own being by creating our own reality making us slaves of our own device. It is by detaching ourselves from the "will" that the sage remain at one with its own self, placing it behind. Internal freedom is unified with the external world, by being selfless he is fulfilled, thus his self-hood is reassured.

This are some of the advanced concepts taught from Pax Amarr, if you’re interested to understand this fully I encourage you to relinquish your material possessions and come to Amarr.

von Khan
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-11-04 20:03:26 UTC
von Khan wrote:


I think we agree in part - by "will", I mean the need to justify our own being by creating our own reality making us slaves of our own device. It is by detaching ourselves from the "will" that the sage remain at one with its own self, placing it behind. Internal freedom is unified with the external world, by being selfless he is fulfilled, thus his self-hood is reassured.

This are some of the advanced concepts taught from Pax Amarr, if you’re interested to understand this fully I encourage you to relinquish your material possessions and come to Amarr.


I must admit these ideas are very compelling; it must be why they are core teachings at the center of Ida.
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-11-05 02:25:25 UTC
Yes the Ida path is one of light no doubt, and a moral compass of the Federation.

However Ida its a idle path, Pax Amarr a destination and a responsibility to abolish evil.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,
And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:
Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13

von Khan
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-11-05 02:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gussarde en Welle
von Khan wrote:
Yes the Ida path is one of light no doubt, and a moral compass of the Federation.

However Ida its a idle path, Pax Amarr a destination and a responsibility to abolish evil.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,
And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:
Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13


I am superficially familiar with the Amarrian faith; yet it is clearly a sword that cuts both ways.

"It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell. "

-Karaniya-he-Metta Suthra 176:11

Tell me von Khan - Does the Preisthood and laity of the 24th Crusade believe that the Abolition War with all of its splinters provides much of a testimony to the strength and veracity of its God?

The tighter your Empyrean squeezes the galaxy, the more star systems slip through its fingers...

Let's not mince words. Domain is rotting. Already the Heimatar encroach on your borders in Devoid. The Great Wildlands are lost, and lawlessness among the territories held by massive and chaotic pirate alliances is pervasive in your west and south. You have lost control of all the systems about New Eden. How will Jamyl and her mighty crusade pull your Empire back from the brink? Your allies the Caldari have grown ferocious and mighty. Once they have broken the back of the Federation, as they clearly hope to do, do you honestly think they will not hunger to chew the corpse of the Old Empire, too?
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-11-05 03:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: von Khan
"When the ears hear only
The mouth shouting
And the eyes see only
The fingers broken
The world has turned
And God has gone
Left us with fond memories
Of sweet life without pain."
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 8:18

It’s all in God's plan; I just walk the path of virtue. Witch path will you walk?

von Khan
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-11-05 06:09:19 UTC
Look at me! I got this little magic book written by lunatics, whose sentences are demented ramblings. Watch as I intrepret them so I can comit genocide and enslave people. It is god's will.

Pffffft.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-11-05 07:07:00 UTC
von Khan wrote:
"When the ears hear only
The mouth shouting
And the eyes see only
The fingers broken
The world has turned
And God has gone
Left us with fond memories
Of sweet life without pain."
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 8:18

It’s all in God's plan; I just walk the path of virtue. Witch path will you walk?


I will always strive to walk the path that reduces as much suffering as possible for as many people as possible.

On a lighter note, I was having supper in a pilots lounge at Arnon the other night and I overheard the claim that all Imperial Navy captains of capital ships, capsuleer or otherwise, have been through two years of Seminary on the Homeworld. Is that true?
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-11-05 07:11:18 UTC
von Khan wrote:
"When the ears hear only
The mouth shouting
And the eyes see only
The fingers broken
The world has turned
And God has gone
Left us with fond memories
Of sweet life without pain."
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 8:18

It’s all in God's plan; I just walk the path of virtue. Witch path will you walk?


You loyalists never think for yourselves, quite similar to the Sansha although i can usually get more then pre programmed dogma spewing from their mouth.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#37 - 2012-11-05 07:27:04 UTC
Mekhana wrote:
Look at me! I got this little magic book written by lunatics, whose sentences are demented ramblings. Watch as I intrepret them so I can comit genocide and enslave people. It is god's will.

Pffffft.


Look at me! I'm a rebel from another planet that wants to shoot someone for having religious beliefs! Watch as I kvetch and moan when they don't immediately roll over and play 'dead' when I snap my fingers!
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-11-05 11:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
Oh wow! You have me all read out, are you psychic or did 'god speak to you' and told you all those things?

Pffft.

Well it was funny! Last people that called me a rebel were my parents.

Vide longe er eros di Luminaire VII, uni canse pra krage e determiniex! Sange por Sange! Descanse bravex eros, mie freires. Mortir por vostre Liberete, farmilie, ide e amis. lons Proviste sen mort! Luminaire liber mas! 
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#39 - 2012-11-05 13:45:09 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
Mekhana wrote:
Look at me! I got this little magic book written by lunatics, whose sentences are demented ramblings. Watch as I intrepret them so I can comit genocide and enslave people. It is god's will.

Pffffft.


Look at me! I'm a rebel from another planet that wants to shoot someone for having religious beliefs! Watch as I kvetch and moan when they don't immediately roll over and play 'dead' when I snap my fingers!


Look at me! I make ad hominem attacks as soon as someone points out anything negative about the religion which legitimates everything about my way of life!

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
von Khan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-11-05 16:01:34 UTC  |  Edited by: von Khan
Gussarde en Welle wrote:


I will always strive to walk the path that reduces as much suffering as possible for as many people as possible.

On a lighter note, I was having supper in a pilots lounge at Arnon the other night and I overheard the claim that all Imperial Navy captains of capital ships, capsuleer or otherwise, have been through two years of Seminary on the Homeworld. Is that true?

Then you’re on the right path friend.
As for your lighter note I’m sorry to inform you that I’m station at the frontline with little time for seminars or gossips. As you mentioned before the battle here is fierce and constant.
It seems that Ida and The Scriptures have much in common indeed. Intaki is a talented young race hopefully they will draw the same conclusions in time, before the Federation lust, greed & corruption assimilates what’s left.

von Khan
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