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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#41 - 2012-10-23 05:52:42 UTC
WOW!

How some people can whine about stuff that is going to put them in a stronger position completely baffles me sometimes..


You lot just need to HTFU!

you sound liek a bunch of whine wow'ers go back there (but send me yer stuffs first Twisted)

Got over it!

Adapt or die....

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#42 - 2012-10-23 05:57:05 UTC
Oh dear, damar has joined the thread, I guess it's time for me to duck out (not getting involved in the archaic tin foil ramblings of a mad man).

I will leave one last comment for you tho mjolnir. No I won't be going to whine at CCP about how unfair these change may or may not be to me and my allies, I will adapt and move on with these changes as I have done with changes in the past and I'm sure, will again in the future. I'd strongly advise you do the same, for your own sanity if nothing else (you might just end up like the aforementioned poster if you continue to allow yourself to be consumed by hatred and a need to rant).

That is all
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#43 - 2012-10-23 07:04:56 UTC
ok ... first chapters is bunch of lies .... rest is good ... finally they got their brains out of the storage ....
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#44 - 2012-10-23 07:07:53 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
I'm happy to see that other Caldari see the truth now as well. That is, CCP has always hated Caldari as a faction and have done everything in their power to make sure their beloved "good guy" factions of Gallente & Minmatar would have every advantage over "slavers and capitalists".

This is a known fact of CCP's actions intended to hurt the Caldari:

- Person developing the faction warfare is playing for Gallente by his own admission.

- CCP Soundwave waving the flag for Gallente militia in alliance tournament VII (pointing this out got Damar banned from forums)

- Dominion debacle and multiple reboots and plex spawns which as a result caused Caldari to lose occupancy in two critical systems, Old Man Star & Heydieles (working as intended by CCP)

- Not once punishing Gallente militia members for using known bugs such as turning NPC's to fire on friendly militia or removing plexes from circulation. Also note that immediately after I exposed how this bug worked, CCP threathened me with ban due to exploiting.

- FW agent distribution with Gallente and Minmatar having low-sec agents which cannot be "shut down" with new mechanics.

- Stealth nerf to Caldari NCP's which were never announced (= Reducing ECM).

There are more but I quess this is enough for now. CCP can shout whatever they want but most people on Caldari side should have nothing but contempt for this kind of biased behavior and "deck stacking".


sad, but true ... well I drifted away from this finaly .... but Damar is right ....

... can Hans finaly resign?
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#45 - 2012-10-23 08:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
This thread. It has potential. Bump

BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Evelgrivion
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-10-23 08:58:34 UTC
The sheer volume of indignant rage being generated by the entitled Faction Warfare farmers is hilarious - especially since FW was meant to be a PVP feature, not a first order money maker. A sense of entitlement is not a valid rationale for arguing against changes to Faction Warfare mechanics, which have already caused disproportionate distortion to the broader economy of Eve Online. These changes aren't just good, they're way overdue.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#47 - 2012-10-23 09:01:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Deen Wispa wrote:
BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones


So you have one guy from Caldari militia (who actually decs other militia members), nobody from Amarr militia and half a dozen CCP's pet goats from "white hat militias" deciding how and what to do in regards to FW? I never voted for Bolster to represent my militia for CCP and I doubt anyone in Cal militia did either so where is our voice?

And yet your side tells us to take our tinfoil hats off when we call CCP as blatantly biased entity in regards to FW.
Evelgrivion
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-10-23 09:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Evelgrivion
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones


So you have one guy from Caldari militia (who actually decs other militia members), nobody from Amarr militia and half a dozen CCP's pet goats from "white hat militias" deciding how and what to do in regards to FW? I never voted for Bolster to represent my militia for CCP and I doubt anyone in Cal militia did either so where is our voice?

And yet your side tells us to take our tinfoil hats off when we call CCP as blatantly biased entity in regards to FW.


Looking at this objectively, if one side is winning and is continuing to win because the rewards system compounds success, there is little cause to join the losing side. Nobody is allowed to actually win Faction Warfare unless CCP is done with the feature. Enjoy it for the fights, not the now nixed money making potential.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#49 - 2012-10-23 09:14:10 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones


So you have one guy from Caldari militia (who actually decs other militia members), nobody from Amarr militia and half a dozen CCP's pet goats from "white hat militias" deciding how and what to do in regards to FW? I never voted for Bolster to represent my militia for CCP and I doubt anyone in Cal militia did either so where is our voice?

And yet your side tells us to take our tinfoil hats off when we call CCP as blatantly biased entity in regards to FW.


bullseye .... u have to hug the right CCP people not to send critics ... Right Hans?

No offense to Bolster ... but if this was the representation of the Caldari miltiia ... I am happy I am out so far.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#50 - 2012-10-23 09:43:00 UTC
Well, they "fixed" the farming problem. Kinda sucks that the ninja fix fucks over everyone in some shape and/or form...

...
Evelgrivion
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-10-23 10:07:09 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Well, they "fixed" the farming problem. Kinda sucks that the ninja fix fucks over everyone in some shape and/or form...


For limited definitions of everyone; in this case, those running faction warfare for ISK. On the other hand, mission runners are going to be less hosed with unmatchable LP store prices, and the markets for toys are likely to become more competitive again.
Commissar Veldt
Progressive State
#52 - 2012-10-23 10:17:52 UTC
I genuinely do believe that this 'ninja patch' will benefit the Caldari greatly.
I dont understand why Caldari pilots are so angry?

Think about it, the Gallente systems that have been flipped already will be harder to take back once the farmers leave all militias after this patch (im not saying impossible because they have good track record but just harder than under current mechanics). The majority of the other Gallente systems are already plexed soooo far into vulnerable by all the farmers that they will struggle to de-contest them before we can work our way from system to system busting bunkers.

I think if anything, the Federation are within their rights to be angry here.

From CCP's point of view, when is there ever a good time to implement a change like this? Unless warzone control was 50/50 between all militias, one of the factions is going lose out in some way. Unforuntately this time it was the Gallente...

BUT...

The Federation have (generally) always had far greater numbers of PVP skilled pilots and are (generally) more unified and organised so maybe without farmers on the field and FW becoming all about PVP again the State could lose this initial foothold they have been lucky enough to get... So get your sh*t together Gallente and do what you do best! Bring us the good fights!

Either way, I think all Militia pilots regardless of faction/warzone control should at least be happy that we are finally getting this long overdue change to Faction Warfare.
Alice Krysta
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#53 - 2012-10-23 10:24:51 UTC
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Classy move CCP. And of course requisitely fail, very very fail. I am pissed about this, but not even remotely for the reason you might imagine.

I have a made a "few billion" off the broken FW rules, ofc. But nowhere, nowhere near what a decent or decripite farmer could make. Farmers exist in every game out there, fact, especially MMO's. They simply do. Nothing you do in any game with a loot mechanic will never ever stop them - ever - not now, not with this EVUH, feel me?.

The hard-core farmers will simply create two accounts now, or reshift their iskie efforts with the two accounts (or more) they already have, you aren't plugging anything here CCP.



What you are doing though CCP is directly -from a FW rules standpoint- completely unfair to the Caldari FW players that were already simply working within your broken rules. Which we didn't break - that YOU created. And "ninja'ing" these changes underscores what a lousy system you "fixed/broke" and just how unconcerned you are with the people that play within the rules. IE, Goonswarm ********* with CCP alts. There.



No CCP, you broke the FW and now you punish again, and again, as you did the first time you broke them, rinse wash and repeat.


Let me be very clear. Why is that everytime there is a FW change involving system control it falls when Caldari have the fewest and Gallente have the most? Coincidence? At this point, hardly...

You knew what we (Caldari) were planning CCP. Another dump, Dec 1. Boo-hoo. But you punish US for YOUR failure? Sorry you broke the rules kiddos, breaks. Now we pay for it? As an entire 9000 player faction? WOW.



Why Caldari? Why Minmitar?

I dunno, seems to be popular to say we are fail, and then create rules that hose us. This is history, not tears. This is Caldari's sad legacy, indeed. We get to be CCP's FW whipping boy AGAIN.



This is the kind of thing that makes you understand exactly how biased and completely slanted, unforgiving and frankly RUDE CCP is regarding FW and ultimately, the player base in general.



Yet another move guised as a fix, but in reality just a hose for those playing within the rules that CCP made, broke and otherwise didn't completey think through.



They simply don't care who, or how many players their "fixes" affect.



Reset the systems? Why not... but no CCP, let's make it as unbalanced as possible.



Tears? I'm space rich. IDK. But ultimately this shows the bias and irony that is FW.

GFY CCP.


+1

FAIL CCP "FIX" PATCH NOT LETTING CALDARI TO MAKE THEYR LP DUMP !!!!!

I mean u let gallente, minmattar, and amarr take them, but why not caldari ? i'm sure minmattar can "extract" more isk outa this ... i wasted 20 days of my life triyng to make some iskies ... for the rules and game mechanics CCP Created ... it not exploit, its just game mechanics U CCP Created.

so why fix ?!
Evelgrivion
State War Academy
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-10-23 10:28:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Evelgrivion
Alice Krysta wrote:
FAIL CCP "FIX" PATCH NOT LETTING CALDARI TO MAKE THEYR LP DUMP !!!!!

I mean u let gallente, minmattar, and amarr take them, but why not caldari ? i'm sure minmattar can "extract" more isk outa this ... i wasted 20 days of my life triyng to make some iskies ... for the rules and game mechanics CCP Created ... it not exploit, its just game mechanics U CCP Created.

so why fix ?!


Because the game mechanics are awful, and are ultimately CCP's to do with as they choose; your predicament is nothing more than the misfortune of being caught at the wrong end of an LP pendulum swing. Ultimately, these changes are more important than you and your militia's profiteering.
Commissar Veldt
Progressive State
#55 - 2012-10-23 10:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Commissar Veldt
Going off topic from the latest FW patch changes (i have already said my piece on that oneSmile)...

Deen Wispa wrote:
This thread. It has potential. Bump

BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones


Im hoping this is one of those things all the kool kids are calling 'trolling'.

Does this kind of thing actually happen?

Or have I fallen victim to one of those 'troll' thingies?

Im so confused...

If it is true... Very shady on behalf of CCP
Alice Krysta
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#56 - 2012-10-23 10:31:37 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
I'm happy to see that other Caldari see the truth now as well. That is, CCP has always hated Caldari as a faction and have done everything in their power to make sure their beloved "good guy" factions of Gallente & Minmatar would have every advantage over "slavers and capitalists".

This is a known fact of CCP's actions intended to hurt the Caldari:

- Person developing the faction warfare is playing for Gallente by his own admission.

- CCP Soundwave waving the flag for Gallente militia in alliance tournament VII (pointing this out got Damar banned from forums)

- Dominion debacle and multiple reboots and plex spawns which as a result caused Caldari to lose occupancy in two critical systems, Old Man Star & Heydieles (working as intended by CCP)

- Not once punishing Gallente militia members for using known bugs such as turning NPC's to fire on friendly militia or removing plexes from circulation. Also note that immediately after I exposed how this bug worked, CCP threathened me with ban due to exploiting.

- FW agent distribution with Gallente and Minmatar having low-sec agents which cannot be "shut down" with new mechanics.

- Stealth nerf to Caldari NCP's which were never announced (= Reducing ECM).

There are more but I quess this is enough for now. CCP can shout whatever they want but most people on Caldari side should have nothing but contempt for this kind of biased behavior and "deck stacking".



u got my support +1
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#57 - 2012-10-23 10:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Commissar Veldt wrote:
I genuinely do believe that this 'ninja patch' will benefit the Caldari greatly.
I dont understand why Caldari pilots are so angry?


I do think the issue is this:

1) Everyone agrees current mechanics are shaite.

2) FW people had learned to live with them.

3) Knowing changes were coming, on designated time, Caldari had wisely positioned themselves for maximum gain for the changes (barring of course frogs using alts to bust ihubs which would have resulted in Caldari using alts to flip them back)

4) CCP decides to implement changes beforehand, thus wrecking well known and obvious Caldari plan that any sane militia would do. Not even time for last bust but few hour warning that "change is coming, you wont even have 48h".

This is the only time that CCP has done anything of this magnitude for FW without warning about it beforehand or publicly. None of the previous "Lets throw a bone to gallente" changes were made public (Caldari npc nerf, Plex spawn mechanics pre-inferno, etc.).

So basicly CCP let the gallente have their last tier 5 dump and then pulled the rug under Caldari & Amarr militia because CCP just would not allow Caldari get the be the last one to enjoy the fruits of broken mechanics.

I would not even put it beyond CCP to have leaked information to gallente beforehand since there was quite unnatural amount of defensive plexing going on in some of the previously "uninteresting" systems.
Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-10-23 11:04:04 UTC
As much of a hilarious descision this was, and how funny I'm finding the tears of the Caldari, I do agree that a complete warzone reset would have been the better idea
Kane the Black
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-10-23 11:20:10 UTC
Approving this thread for tear generation. Bye bye ****** Warfare: victory by warping out. Lol

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#60 - 2012-10-23 11:28:17 UTC
Evelgrivion wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Well, they "fixed" the farming problem. Kinda sucks that the ninja fix fucks over everyone in some shape and/or form...


For limited definitions of everyone; in this case, those running faction warfare for ISK. On the other hand, mission runners are going to be less hosed with unmatchable LP store prices, and the markets for toys are likely to become more competitive again.

All I hope for is that FW will be about the pew pew and not FarmVille 2.0.
But, that might not be for a while. Then it'll be bittervet vs. bittervet for another few years...

I'm just happy I've gotten outta this clusterfuck. Just ignore the fact that I did 2 days before this with a complete cash out...

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