EVE General Discussion

So slot rent in Jita is the same as in some backwater system? I'll have to check that to be certain, because I am certain there are differences in the rent between the labslots of popular and unpopular (low-sec) stations.

I doubt T2 will be affected in any way, currently. Just imagine: null is shipping the moongoo products to empire to make T2 stuff, of which a lot is then traded back to null. I doubt they'd really care about not being able to build in a hub station.

As for the POS inefficiency, that's a problem because everything else isn't balanced. If the rest becomes more expensive because of increasing NPC fees, then low POS PE is no longer such a big issue.

Lets think about the implications of them stats, 6 million ships lost in pve, lol highsec.

It doesn't.

Also, all these suggestions to change the npc slots would just push hi sec manufacturing into hi sec poses. Some people already do this to avoid queues etc. The only impact of pushing manufacturing into hi sec poses will be an even greater demand for poses (this might fuel war, to get a moon, who knows) as well as perhaps decreasing the supply of ships as well as raising the cost of t2 ships. Poses aren't exactly ideal for ship production due to slots, and definately not ideal for t2 production due to ME 1.10 or w/e it is.

All this does very little to alleviate the tears of null seccers that don't want to compete with Jita exports like everyone else that plays eve. It seems from the posts in this thread that jita exports are the main concern in regards to null sec industry, as well as a lack of slots.

Because going to low or null with a massive bounty on your head is a great idea..

I would assume industrial ships getting blown away by suicide gankers, as well as mining barges falls in to "pve".

Just sayin, i agree lol highsec, but the statistics presented are very vague.

Edit: Quit silly of me to type this, the above would probably be pvp for obvious reasons.

So you want everyone to pay more so that you can build stuff in null?

How about you pay more, so i can build more stuff in high?

I do agree low ends coming out of high should maybe be adjusted, the rest isjust you not wanting to compete with jita, and you can't even admit to it.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. I want people in high sec to pay a little more for finished goods, so that industrialists in null have a CHANCE to compete.

You guys are producing far more than you consume in high sec, and it's driven prices for most things down to the point that you can buy it for damn near what it costs to build.

High sec has eliminated all competition, you are monopolizing the vast majority of industry.


Do you not get that current conditions negate an entire playstyle? This is 100% how I play the game. Some dude with a jita alt, buying crap in jita and then contracting it to null to sell for low profit for "passive income" while they pvp, negates my playstyle.

People can afford to pay more for things in high sec. You guys aren't poor; not even a rookie has trouble buying what they need.

You already said that you make more profit p/u (margin on a single item, since you couldn't understand this before i figure I clarify ahead of time) building in null.

You can compete, you just want to make more than you are. High sec hasn't eliminated the competition, you've already said you have like 100 or 1000 or somethin orders up in null.

High sec does not have a monopoly, you just don't like the competition. An example of a monopoly would be moongoo.

mo·nop·o·ly [muh-nop-uh-lee] Show IPA
noun, plural mo·nop·o·lies.
1.
exclusive control of a commodity or service in a particular market, or a control that makes possible the manipulation of prices. Compare duopoly, oligopoly.

in case you were confused.

On a SINGLE item.

Do you actually do any market stuff?
You do understand how volume can make you more money selling at lower profit margins right?

I sell 1 of something in a day, you sell 100 of that same thing.
In order for that ONE sale to be worthwhile, I need to make more off that SINGLE SALE. If you sell 100 things for 2 isk profit each, and I only sell A SINGLE ITEM for 2 isk profit, you made considerably more profit than I did.



Have you ever been a dedicated industrialist in null? Do you understand that in high you have hundreds of thousands of potetial buyers, in null I only have thousands.

That is not possible to compete with when it cost the same to build in both regions of space. My **** will always be devalued, and I will always sell less than you can in high. There is no such thing as competition when no competitor exists.



You apparently don't understand how selling things in low as compared to high works.

It costs me SLIGHTLY LESS to build something in null than it costs to BUY in high sec. Jita PURCHASED items, sold in null, for near jita costs eliminates null builders. That is not hard to understand, nor is it good for the game.