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How hard is it to find an unoccupied C1 or C2?

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Tommy Robotic
Chambers of Shaolin
#1 - 2012-10-22 12:30:57 UTC
I've been looking to move out to WH space and am quite excited. I'm building a laundry list of stuff to bring with me and training up alts. However in the meantime I've been scanning down wormholes in preparation of the move (I know these WHs will be gone by the time I'm ready to move) but I haven't found any candidates so far. Is it really hard to find a C1/C2 unoccupied home? What should I do to find a home?

Thanks
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-10-22 12:35:36 UTC
Just keep scanning, when you do find what you're looking for, leave the scanning character there. That's the only way for you to keep track of how to get in there.
Mattalious
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-10-22 12:52:18 UTC
It's literally going to be a case of scanning, scanning and more scanning. Some WHs are worth more than others, so don't even think of going for a dual static C2 if you're just moving into w-space - a small corp would never hang onto one of those for long. If you're taking in other with you then when you're ready try splitting up and heading to the different corners of Empire space. All you need is one person to strike it lucky and then they can call the rest of you over to it.
Tommy Robotic
Chambers of Shaolin
#4 - 2012-10-22 13:02:49 UTC
Thank you very much for the replies.

Thanks for the tip on not grabbing a double C2 static. What SHOULD I be looking for if I'm solo and wouldn't be able to defend against much of an assault? I was hoping for a C1/C2 with a static lowsec?
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#5 - 2012-10-22 13:19:11 UTC
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Kryxal
Wing Born Echos
#6 - 2012-10-22 17:51:58 UTC
Actually, I think all C2s are dual-static, one w-space and one k-space. As for finding an empty system, best of luck ... all you can do is scan, scan, and scan some more. We actually ran across a C1/high a few days back, and were very surprised that nobody lived there.

Incidentally, if you want a high access, scan in high, for a low access scan in low, somebody may be using that WH as a k-space route in a longer chain, or at least opened it before crashing the route further up the chain (who would bother crashing the c1>low in a C5>C5>C4>C5>C6>C1>low chain, after all?)
Bodega Cat
Expedition Spartica
#7 - 2012-10-22 20:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Bodega Cat
If you are solo, and don't plan on doing any mining and stuff where you would need an Orca, I would say C4 with a static C1(POGO) is best for what you are likely able to do. Theirs plenty of these that don't have active POS' in.

C4's are the least populated (they are usually just trafficked by bigger corps chaining outwards), and you won't be bugged as much there. A static C1 means you get access to fast farm combat sites that you can do quickly, salvage quickly, and take your nano ribbons back. Dip in and dip out. You won't be able to do any of the C4 content by yourself, unless you have a set of highly skilled alts, but that could give you some longer term goals while you rake in easy C1 money.

While true, you won't have any access to high sec space directly from your home, you can often find them easily out of C1's with little trouble. Again, you won't be able to take battleships or larger through, but thats the price of the described reclusivity.

As always, keep your ships as cheap and efficient as possible. This protects your over all margin when you inevitably lose ships. Always keep a couple back up scanner alts in your home in case you get shut out. And realistically, as a solo player, cover at least 2 out of every 3 wormholes with a cloaky alt during operations (or just don't do anything at all if theirs 3+ holes in a system and you don't wanna risk a gank).
Tommy Robotic
Chambers of Shaolin
#8 - 2012-10-22 23:12:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tommy Robotic
Bodega Cat wrote:
If you are solo, and don't plan on doing any mining and stuff where you would need an Orca, I would say C4 with a static C1(POGO) is best for what you are likely able to do. Theirs plenty of these that don't have active POS' in.

C4's are the least populated (they are usually just trafficked by bigger corps chaining outwards), and you won't be bugged as much there. A static C1 means you get access to fast farm combat sites that you can do quickly, salvage quickly, and take your nano ribbons back. Dip in and dip out. You won't be able to do any of the C4 content by yourself, unless you have a set of highly skilled alts, but that could give you some longer term goals while you rake in easy C1 money.

While true, you won't have any access to high sec space directly from your home, you can often find them easily out of C1's with little trouble. Again, you won't be able to take battleships or larger through, but thats the price of the described reclusivity.

As always, keep your ships as cheap and efficient as possible. This protects your over all margin when you inevitably lose ships. Always keep a couple back up scanner alts in your home in case you get shut out. And realistically, as a solo player, cover at least 2 out of every 3 wormholes with a cloaky alt during operations (or just don't do anything at all if theirs 3+ holes in a system and you don't wanna risk a gank).



Great info, thank you very much for taking the time to reply with a lot of detail and explanation. Are C4's the best chance I have at not getting my system taken over?
Bodega Cat
Expedition Spartica
#9 - 2012-10-22 23:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bodega Cat
I would say yes, but anything without a static high sec remains largely unattractive to affiliations capable, or with deep enough pockets to want to run an operation like yours out. Theirs only one way you can make yourself a target in a C4 POGO, is if you mess with someone in a fierce way. Don't be a complete ****, or break any deals with anyone coming from an orange or red hole into yours and you'll be fine. Also, serious invaders need cap ships, and bringing in multiple cap ships into a C4 POGO in a time-reasonable manner is almost impossible, giving anyone in a position crazy/rich to build their own inside an insurmountable advantage should that day ever come...

Now about the others...

C2's/C3's with statics into C4's or C5's and High sec statics are the ones that war over on the reg. Anything else with a high sec is nice enough to invite some trouble, but you could setup realistic goals to hold a hole for 5-6 months, make large profits, and then even if you get chased out still have a big enough bank roll to setup a new op elsewhere.

In any case, theirs always the unfortunate chance for a shark to setup cloaky style and make your life hell for a few days, particularly if one of these guys nails down your operation time and wants to prolong his stay in your system... That unfortunately, cannot be avoided.

If that ever happens, post a new thread here and i'm sure the community will be able to share bait tricks and other useful knowledges as well to help you try and flush him out!
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-10-23 00:18:49 UTC
Bodega Cat wrote:
C2's/C3's with statics into C4's or C5's and High sec statics



WTB C3 with double static.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-10-23 01:59:03 UTC
Empty C2s are very few and very far between.

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Lucius Arcturus
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-10-23 05:47:45 UTC
Taggart can help. Join the Wormhole sales channel in-game if you have any questions.
Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-10-23 23:29:41 UTC
Lucius Arcturus wrote:
Taggart can help. Join the Wormhole sales channel in-game if you have any questions.


^ This.

Although there is a lot of empty C1's you will find if you scan for long enough there is not a lot of good C2's with good WH statics left available. And it is just easier to look for one on the taggart list and jump in.
Dex DelaVenuto
Sky Templars
#14 - 2012-10-24 02:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dex DelaVenuto
if you can't find one buy one, i did. save me trouble scanning for months. and use taggart as people suggested. I m trying to find a second c1 or a c2 and this time in nullsec.
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#15 - 2012-10-24 02:47:47 UTC
A lot of the newbier people at WHs don't stick to single systems for long it seems, I've had an alt in a C2 for about a year, and it's changed owners about 10 times since then. Ugh

Finding a currently empty one might be a bit tough, but if you have a couple throwaway scanning characters you could try your luck at keeping them in wormholes you might like.

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Marsan
#16 - 2012-10-24 03:26:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
The trick finding a hole is finding a system with right static and put a scanning alt in the hole. Then just scan down the static every day until you find one you like. Or if the system you are searching from is empty then you can simply roll the hole repeatedly.

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#17 - 2012-10-24 09:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Considering how populated the lower classes are these days, you might be better off putting out a offer of isk to find an empty C1 - C2, by spamming places like the exploration channel, or making a thread. You'd increase your chances significantly over just solo scanning and hoping to luck out. Though be wary of dicks trying to scam you, only payout after you've setup your POS, and be clear from the start that its a condition of the payout. Plus the more isk you offer, the more people are going to be out scanning for you! Cool

Highsec statics should be avoided if you are looking to stay there for a long time. It tends to generate loads of traffic into your hole, and you might find it very hard to get things done with the constant threat of random attacks. Does make hauling and logistics alot easier though, so thats a balance you'd have to decide on yourself.

I wouldn't recommend a C4, they're not populated for a reason. They've become the main feeding/battleground of the higher classes, and you'd have to fight to keep your space.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-10-24 10:11:45 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Considering how populated the lower classes are these days, you might be better off putting out a offer of isk to find an empty C1 - C2, by spamming places like the exploration channel, or making a thread. You'd increase your chances significantly over just solo scanning and hoping to luck out. Though be wary of dicks trying to scam you, only payout after you've setup your POS, and be clear from the start that its a condition of the payout. Plus the more isk you offer, the more people are going to be out scanning for you! Cool

Highsec statics should be avoided if you are looking to stay there for a long time. It tends to generate loads of traffic into your hole, and you might find it very hard to get things done with the constant threat of random attacks. Does make hauling and logistics alot easier though, so thats a balance you'd have to decide on yourself.

I wouldn't recommend a C4, they're not populated for a reason. They've become the main feeding/battleground of the higher classes, and you'd have to fight to keep your space.


If i was selling a hole i wouldn't bother selling to someone that wanted their POS set up before i got paid, i just wouldn't bother and i have sold many.

Considering stats have been posted in this subsection with facts to show C4's have the least evictions/invasions and are carebear paradise you should just go back to logging off at the slightest hint of danger. Your capital ship will stay spinning at your C3 pos forever.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-10-24 10:21:20 UTC
Yeah, it's pretty hard to find a unoccupied C1 and C2. Your options are 1) choose a different class 2) join an existing corp 3) kick someone out of their C1/C2
Mattalious
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-10-24 13:38:49 UTC
Bodega Cat wrote:
If you are solo, and don't plan on doing any mining and stuff where you would need an Orca, I would say C4 with a static C1(POGO) is best for what you are likely able to do. Theirs plenty of these that don't have active POS' in.

C4's are the least populated (they are usually just trafficked by bigger corps chaining outwards), and you won't be bugged as much there. A static C1 means you get access to fast farm combat sites that you can do quickly, salvage quickly, and take your nano ribbons back. Dip in and dip out. You won't be able to do any of the C4 content by yourself, unless you have a set of highly skilled alts, but that could give you some longer term goals while you rake in easy C1 money.



I'll second that. I live in a C4 with a C4 static and it's a relatively quite life. We get spats of K162s, but there's normally long stretches of time without them cropping up - normally C5s and C2s. Whilst a Static C4 is better for earning ISK, it can be a real pain in the arse geting back to K-space to sell blues and nanos, but that's the territory it comes with. To be honest once you're earning good money in a C4* you can afford to go a month between visits to K-space.

*Yes, I realise it's not C5 money, but for small corps it's considerably better than mission running.
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