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EVE is boring and it is sucky.

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Signal11th
#101 - 2012-10-25 12:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
svenska flicka

And EVE offers something at a quality no other MMO does, that is a fact, so then you come back [:lol: wrote:


Obviously social aspect is a huge thing, do you expect to do arenas in WoW solo? do endgame raids solo? If you want to play by yourself or with people doing things you do not enjoy... in a sandbox (mostly...) You can only blame yourself!



And what is this thing that EVE offers that no other MMO does? Funny I remember playing Ultima Online what 15 or more years ago and that from what memory serves me offered exactly the saem sort of things that EVE offers me.

Again you're under the weird reasoning that someone who complains about being bored somehow wants to play by themself? Where in my argument have I said that? What I said is that the social aspect is the only thing that in the last 6 months actually kept my logging on but the actual content that I'm doing is repetitive and boring.

The group of people I have fallen in with as I said above been the only reason I've been logging in. My vent which wasn't really a vent just a thought is trying to point out that whilst I'm disillusioned with EVE at the moment it's still a great game which I hope when something different happens with it I shall start playing regulary again instead of just logging on to chat.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-10-25 13:01:35 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
svenska flicka

And EVE offers something at a quality no other MMO does, that is a fact, so then you come back [:lol: wrote:


Obviously social aspect is a huge thing, do you expect to do arenas in WoW solo? do endgame raids solo? If you want to play by yourself or with people doing things you do not enjoy... in a sandbox (mostly...) You can only blame yourself!



And what is this thing that EVE offers that no other MMO does? Again you're under the weird reasoning that someone who complains about being bored somehow wants to play by themself? Where in my argument have I said that? What I said is that the social aspect is the only thing that in the last 6 months actually kept my logging on.




Hey you brought it up, go back to previous page and read it again, I replied to OP, you replied to me, and follow it carefully.

What is it EVE offers at quality no other MMO does? Are you really gonna ask me that? Are you still on a trial account?

If only reason for you logging on is that, you need to create yourself new content. I know people like that, they get stuck in a corp/alliance and at some point stagnate and then EVE becomes an instant messenger.

What I am telling you is, that is not CCP's fault, that is your issue you need to solve because of how EVE works. Maybe change corp, or change activity and so on. Unlike many other games, such as WoW, you create a large portion of your own content and thus your entertainment. You cannot wait for CCP to release a new level gap and raids, they can release more content and solve issues of course...

But OP's complaints is not something I can take serious when the guy has been in a 1man corp in a dead system by himself for a year or more.

What does he expect to happen? CCP will release Uldaman at the top belt for himself to do??

Anyway, good luck and again I recommend you do something about your situation other than whine, for your own sake.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2012-10-25 13:10:10 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I have a few suggestions on how you could stir things up a bit.
For example, giving me your stuff.

If I had known how many people were going to like this post I wouldn't have said it.
I keep getting notifications for likes hoping it's for a post where someone agrees with me on something. :P

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-10-25 13:17:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I have a few suggestions on how you could stir things up a bit.
For example, giving me your stuff.

If I had known how many people were going to like this post I wouldn't have said it.
I keep getting notifications for likes hoping it's for a post where someone agrees with me on something. :P



I agree.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#105 - 2012-10-25 13:22:25 UTC
IMO the op is right about the balance issue - tericide has largely failed, it hasnt achieved balance, but has instead made, new fotm. All in all, it would be better if ccp stepped back from ship design and gave that over to the sandbox.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-10-25 13:33:50 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
IMO the op is right about the balance issue - tericide has largely failed, it hasnt achieved balance, but has instead made, new fotm. All in all, it would be better if ccp stepped back from ship design and gave that over to the sandbox.



There will always be FOTM, sometimes that is even a good thing, best way to fix that is to have paper, scissors and rock then multiply those options greatly. Trusting all ship design to players would be catastrophic btw.
Freundliches Feuer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-10-25 13:42:48 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Welcome to EVE. A homogeneous meh where a bit of eye candy and a few tweaked attributes aside you are in the exact type of place as every other drone doing exactly the same thing.

Every item or service is available a couple of jumps away. Everyone is as equally good at doing pretty much the same things. Technology is just that little bit different in minor ways, but they are effectively the same.


Funnily enough, I had a small group of friends at university who loved playing StarCraft. We'd play co-op and FFA, and our favourite FFA map happened to be "Blood Bath". We would play that map dozens of times in any session, and it was always interesting because we'd have randomly assigned race and we had intelligent friends who would not keep trying to use the same tactics every time.

Recently, Elon Musk stated that one of the secrets to being successful is to be able to change your mind and not consistently follow the same set of rules. He works in the same world that we do. He is launching rockets into space. What are you doing with your life?

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: it's not EVE that is boring. It's you.


+1 Totally agree, you need to have a good bunch of people and enjoy the game together. Being a loner wont lead you far...
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2012-10-25 14:03:40 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#109 - 2012-10-25 14:48:05 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
IMO the op is right about the balance issue - tericide has largely failed, it hasnt achieved balance, but has instead made, new fotm. All in all, it would be better if ccp stepped back from ship design and gave that over to the sandbox.



There will always be FOTM, sometimes that is even a good thing, best way to fix that is to have paper, scissors and rock then multiply those options greatly. Trusting all ship design to players would be catastrophic btw.


Eve already is rock paper scissors with a shinny gloss. The more freedom you give to players to design the ships, the more randomness you add to the game which allows players potential opportunities to develop unique and unusual strategies for success breaking the rock paper scissor aspect of the game - which of course improves playability and adds to the longevity of the game and is a good thing.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#110 - 2012-10-25 14:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: svenska flicka
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
svenska flicka wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
IMO the op is right about the balance issue - tericide has largely failed, it hasnt achieved balance, but has instead made, new fotm. All in all, it would be better if ccp stepped back from ship design and gave that over to the sandbox.



There will always be FOTM, sometimes that is even a good thing, best way to fix that is to have paper, scissors and rock then multiply those options greatly. Trusting all ship design to players would be catastrophic btw.


Eve already is rock paper scissors with a shinny gloss. The more freedom you give to players to design the ships, the more randomness you add to the game which allows players potential opportunities to develop unique and unusual strategies for success breaking the rock paper scissor aspect of the game - which of course improves playability and adds to the longevity of the game and is a good thing.



That worked with T3's. There is already a lot of freedom, some FC's just need to open their eyes a bit more. Ship design still have to be done by devs, but they can add more rock paper scissors into the mix and and modules to put on your ship and ships/ship classes themselves. That is good, in the end there will still be FOTM's and again that is not always a bad thing.
J Kunjeh
#111 - 2012-10-25 14:58:57 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:

-Lots and lots of words-


Welcome to the real world, where hypercapitalism leads to everyone being bland minions in the larger cogs of the machine. Where the world is homogenous by design. No diversity, no stepping out of the bounds. That's life...suck it up and LOVE it. Eve IS real.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-10-25 15:01:20 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:

-Lots and lots of words-


Welcome to the real world, where hypercapitalism leads to everyone being bland minions in the larger cogs of the machine. Where the world is homogenous by design. No diversity, no stepping out of the bounds. That's life...suck it up and LOVE it. Eve IS real.



Communism is the opposite?
J Kunjeh
#113 - 2012-10-25 17:20:56 UTC
svenska flicka wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:

-Lots and lots of words-


Welcome to the real world, where hypercapitalism leads to everyone being bland minions in the larger cogs of the machine. Where the world is homogenous by design. No diversity, no stepping out of the bounds. That's life...suck it up and LOVE it. Eve IS real.



Communism is the opposite?


Totally off topic, but....I never advocated any kind of political system. The world is not black and white (hypercapitalism/communism)...myself, I prefer anarchy. I was only saying when you have hypercapitalism, Eve (and our current state of the modern world) is what you get. That said, I love Eve for what it is!

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Ginger Barbarella
#114 - 2012-10-25 17:26:40 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

So I read through your post and okay, you have your opinion, which is cool and lets us know how you feel about the game.

Maybe EVE just isn't the game for you, or maybe you'll warm to it in time if you stick with it through tough learning times, who knows?

In the same respect, we have a forum that's dedicated to discussing player thought out features and ideas that they feel would make the game better.

With the amount of effort you put into writing a rant, you probably could of outlined some of the features you proposed very briefly in your post a lot more thoroughly on the right forum.

We value player feedback and involvement massively, hence having the CSM and a forum dedicated to helping you to help us make the game more awesome.

Why not check it out and show off some of your ideas there?



This. Only I wouldn't have said it QUITE so diplomatically. Twisted

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
svenska flicka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-10-25 17:27:57 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
svenska flicka wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:

-Lots and lots of words-


Welcome to the real world, where hypercapitalism leads to everyone being bland minions in the larger cogs of the machine. Where the world is homogenous by design. No diversity, no stepping out of the bounds. That's life...suck it up and LOVE it. Eve IS real.



Communism is the opposite?


Totally off topic, but....I never advocated any kind of political system. The world is not black and white (hypercapitalism/communism)...myself, I prefer anarchy. I was only saying when you have hypercapitalism, Eve (and our current state of the modern world) is what you get. That said, I love Eve for what it is!



Anarchy is awesome, until you try it Cool

let's EVE love together Bear
Halet Cu
Unemployed Pilots Association
#116 - 2012-11-04 06:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Halet Cu
"I think the Holy Grail of balance is bad for EVE. I think in chaotic systems a natural order will establish itself.

CCP concentrate so much on trying to avoid the donut-hole of imbalance, they don't get any donut."

I think the devs keep the game mechanics balanced because it's what most players want. Or to put it another way if you desire imbalance, are you willing to be one of the people the imbalance places at a disadvantage?

Second, the game might be too balanced for you liking, but the players automatically introduce variability and "imbalance" Put two people in two identically fitted apocs and see what they do. Give two players a billion isk each and you're pretty much guaranteed they won't spend it the same way. Imbalance and variation is everywhere in EvE.

People always strive for balance over imbalance. When two baseball teams play against each other they each puts 9 players on the field but the players skill difference always creates a winner and a loser.

Honestly not trying to beat this to death. But CCP has done exactly the right thing by striving for balance. They've created a level playing field for everyone. What you do with it is up to you.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-11-04 07:41:46 UTC
Eve makes you fat ?.......yeah i didnt read OP
Mr Pragmatic
#118 - 2012-11-04 09:08:33 UTC
I think eve is soring and bucky.

I love playing update skill que.

Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness.  -Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling.
Lucas Corsar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-11-05 01:42:32 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

So I read through your post and okay, you have your opinion, which is cool and lets us know how you feel about the game.

Maybe EVE just isn't the game for you, or maybe you'll warm to it in time if you stick with it through tough learning times, who knows?

In the same respect, we have a forum that's dedicated to discussing player thought out features and ideas that they feel would make the game better.

With the amount of effort you put into writing a rant, you probably could of outlined some of the features you proposed very briefly in your post a lot more thoroughly on the right forum.

We value player feedback and involvement massively, hence having the CSM and a forum dedicated to helping you to help us make the game more awesome.

Why not check it out and show off some of your ideas there?



This. Only I wouldn't have said it QUITE so diplomatically. Twisted


Condescending doesn't mean diplomatic.
Freezehunter
#120 - 2012-11-05 01:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
I have not undocked my 9 billion ISK Nightmare in about a year, all I do is pay my sub, play the market in Jita and Amarr, and play other games while training skills here for **** knows what purpose.

I have already pledged 2500 euros to Star Citizen on their pledge page, because I am hoping it will beat the **** out of Eve in the future, so that I can have the fun I once used to have in Eve, before it became "Let's make our own private 0.0 alliances that no one but certain members of certain pay to enter communities can join Online".

To be quite frank, the reason I didn't leave Eve 7 years ago is because there is nothing better than it SO FAR, but when something better and more fun comes along, bye bye, and all my stuff is going to hell with me, just like all my stuff in World of Warcraft went to hell when I quit, including 10 max level alts and no less than 4 legendary weapons and dozens of super rare mounts that collectors would KILL for.

I have a simple method of quitting MMOS, DELETE ******* EVERYTHING.

Some men just want to watch the world burn...

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.