EVE General Discussion

Firstly, thank you for replying to my post. Your response lacks a certain banality compared to the efforts of your co-workers and ISD forum alts. For that I am appreciative.

Secondly, my OP is a post, not a rant. I am making an attempt at genuine discussion. If I wanted to rant my OP would contain a large proportion of "*". Calling something a "rant" because it doesn't toe the party line is right up there with the current trend of CCP and their employ calling anything disagreeable "Slander" or "Rumour-Mongering". It would be laughable if is wasn't continually used as a mechanism to stifle discussion.

Thirdly, Are you suggesting I leave? I've been playing since 2007. I've done drunk hi-sec, drunk low-Sec, drunk null, drunk piracy, drunk mining, bored carebearing and terribly drunk missioner - take your pick. I'm fairly warmed to the game funnily enough.

Finally, I'd love to share some ideas as there are literally tens of thousands of players out there more experienced than myself with arguably more brain cells clanging together to come up with useful suggestions. CCP like all other half decent game developers know it's smart to ignore the scatter gun of suggestions that they always receive so I would prefer to have a discussion to see if someone could unearth a real gem.

Unfortunately, that will probably not happen as anyone suggesting a departure from the status quo for good or bad is personally attacked here.

As for the CSM they seem to be more interested in gerrymandering than the game at the moment.

Once again, thank you for your reply.

Fly safe!

**** *** blue what the **** are you ******* **** the ****** come at me and say some **** like that ******* ******

Perhaps for the same reason he goes to McEateries all over the world and complains that it's all the same. The reason why droids go to these places is that they are all the same.

What's the point of going abroad where there's different foods, different cooking methods to discover and, hopefully, enjoy when all that one does is have the same semi-predigested mush?

I think that the Original Poster needs to consider that if he doens't have the imagination but to constantly eat at McGenericPapFoods then he may not have the required imagation to discover a niche in the sandbox.

Yes well, as you know all analogies fall down in the end and it's by analogy analysis you have decided to judge me in real life.

And in this form the personal attack is that I lack imagination in life and hence to prosper in EVE because one of my habits is to try a Big Mac in every country I go to.

I also take a photo of every Starbucks I see, bit that is besides the point.

Ok, first of all, you don't agree with my first statement? The very fact that this discussion is taking place is because CCP continuously balance the game. Had they not done so it would likely have perished years ago. The evidence for my claim is irrefutable, you can go back and check through almost a decade of Dev Blogs, response threads and promotional material. Denial here is not an option for you.

Secondly, as to my assertion that balance equals more options which in turn equals more choice, that has also been proven and again the evidence is readily available. It may also be worth noting that not everyone is under the false impression that ship balance is the be all and end all of what balancing means to EVE. The numerous threads regarding resource scarcity, allocation and distribution is a clear example that you have misunderstood the situation, and that your argument is based on flawed logic and a lack of understanding of the basic mechanics of balancing.

As for your other assumptions, your logic is again, flawed. You assume that peoples actions are a direct result of an inherent flaw in the balancing system, when that is demonstrably untrue. People do not use FOTM's because balancing is somehow wrong, they use FOTM's because people by their very nature will seek to unbalance things in their favour. The same goes for fleet doctrines and is why we have blob warfare. By increasing the viability of ships, career paths and the layout of each area of the EVE universe CCP are increasing peoples choices, not decreasing them.

You seem to be operating under the false assumption that "balance" somehow equals "stagnation" or a lack of choice. This is clearly not the case.

Well he got a dev response so i'd say he achieved his goal... What's the alternative, spend an hour writing down some ideas and then have everyone flame you and devs ignore your thread and instead, respond to trolly threads like this?

Party at my CQ ^^

In regards to this I myself only login now to change skills or to chat, I love EVE (or parts of it) but I do find the whole experience as quite mundane and tedious.
Don't get me wrong I've quit playing EVE but I won't be unsubbing.

In meaning mundane I'm saying there isn't really anything to do in EVE that is exciting (obviously barring PVP slightly)

You want to run missions, fair enough but they are static, you play out the same routine time after time.
You want to explore ok go do it but you'll only ever find the same stuff time after time.
You want to play the market go for it but it's the same thing over and over again.

There isn't any spontaneity in the "game" nothing make you go WTF, ohh thats new I wonder what that is. Now CCP cover this over by having a really steep learning curve which keeps your mind off it for a fair amount of time. When you're new you spend most of your time learning about stuff that you ignore the fact when you have learn't it, all it enables you to do is to do something a little bit quicker than before without actually changing the frame or the context of the game.

Anyone who mentions this on the forums or in channels is automatically accused of not finding a niche or lacking imagination but if anything the exact opposite is true in my case it's because I don't want to find a niche and if anything I have too much imagination, I'm not interested in the mundane or the repetative or the "balanced" you get that in real life a plenty.

Why do people play games in the first place? It's for an escape .. what happens to that escape when its becomes as boring as real life, where is the impetus to play to forget your real life woes??

Now EVE's great and only redeeming feature is PVP but what happens to a player that gets bored of that?? Well when that happens he either quits or goes like myself dormant until something changes radically to bring them back.

The player has the choice of joining a 0.0 alliance and grinding and here it is again mundanely either winning or losing a system using predeterminded timers which you then wait for to count down and wait for the opposites side fleet to jump in and then fight in TIDI at 10% for the next 1-3 hours. Do this for long enough and you will even get bored of 0.0.

So that leaves you with either FW, Wormholes or a specialist unit like RnK/Mercenary band. Myself when I come back will be choosing wormholes.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that in the time I've been playing EVE nothing really has changed, 0.0 has stagnated into a couple of super blocks again and good for them CCP, put the framework and incentive for these big groups to flourish and thats precisley what has happened. Good for a few at the top boring for the rest.

I think I have the ability to walk around a cabin somehow, humm that will be interesting for all of 2 mins.

The game needs way more content and has done for a number of years but for some reason people get hung up on balancing and somehow because someone has managed to collect 10k players into an alliance it's somehow unfair on the rest.

You might say well you're bored, you lack the intelligence to make the game interesting for yourself but I'm not the only one, I don't know hundreds of people in EVE I know a small number but even in that small number I know people who have unsubbed due to the same reasons I've taken a break and in such a small group that percentage should be worrying

Is it?? Just by saying that you relegated EVE to the back and emphasied more on the social aspect with you're friends, which would imply you could be kicking a bag o' shite around a field with the same people and you would still be having fun thus removing the need to actually be on EVE in the first place.

The argument is that the social aspect of EVE should not be the only reason to log into it. Yes it's a MMO so by it's very design its run by social dynamics but they has to be other reasons to log in and play otherwise like I mentioned above as soon as something else comes along offering something different you leave.

You say football, well you play football because you enjoy it and play with or without friends what happens when you don;t enjoy it anymore? you stop playing obviously. EVE unlike footbal is dynamic so it has the chance to change to stop you becoming bored and in that it needs to change or include more content and not just rely on the social aspect keeping things ticking along.