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What is going to be done about this ICE Interdiction?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#121 - 2012-10-22 22:44:09 UTC
Iosue wrote:
Jita Djinn wrote:
QUIT WHINING! I mine with 4 Procs at the same time... If all of them get blown up i lose almost nothing because they are cheaper than dirt. When you lose a mack you lose 200mil. The ability to make up the difference in mining yeilds is in the hundreds of hours and you almost certainly almost get ganked before you make up the difference...

Wow i kind of started ranting... sorry bout that.


QFT. Why the hell is anyone mining ice in an exhumer??

Same reason they used to mine in untanked hulks everywhere. Best mix of yeild and ore hold.
Jita Djinn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#122 - 2012-10-22 22:46:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Iosue wrote:
Jita Djinn wrote:
QUIT WHINING! I mine with 4 Procs at the same time... If all of them get blown up i lose almost nothing because they are cheaper than dirt. When you lose a mack you lose 200mil. The ability to make up the difference in mining yeilds is in the hundreds of hours and you almost certainly almost get ganked before you make up the difference...

Wow i kind of started ranting... sorry bout that.


QFT. Why the hell is anyone mining ice in an exhumer??

Same reason they used to mine in untanked hulks everywhere. Best mix of yeild and ore hold.

The difference used to be very very large. Now the yield difference is about 5% and the ore hold is big enough compared to what it used to be.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#123 - 2012-10-22 22:51:16 UTC
Jita Djinn wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Iosue wrote:
Jita Djinn wrote:
QUIT WHINING! I mine with 4 Procs at the same time... If all of them get blown up i lose almost nothing because they are cheaper than dirt. When you lose a mack you lose 200mil. The ability to make up the difference in mining yeilds is in the hundreds of hours and you almost certainly almost get ganked before you make up the difference...

Wow i kind of started ranting... sorry bout that.


QFT. Why the hell is anyone mining ice in an exhumer??

Same reason they used to mine in untanked hulks everywhere. Best mix of yeild and ore hold.

The difference used to be very very large. Now the yield difference is about 5% and the ore hold is big enough compared to what it used to be.

This matters not to them.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-10-22 22:52:34 UTC
Sixx Spades wrote:
Kryxal wrote:
It looks like the Procurer would work pretty well ... stick a good shield tank on it, insure it, and you have a cheap, durable miner. The Goons may kill you anyway, but at least you'll be draining their accounts in the process...


You know, because we're hard up on cash anyways. :laffo:

Having to fly a procurer or skiff is a punishment in and of itself. Thanks for doing our jobs for us.


Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better because a Skiff is a good Ice Miner and the Proc has the same role bonus.

- Semi related note: As Baltec tried to point out but got trolled off the forums for it, they beat Hulk hands down because Hulk and Covetor got no role bonus. Not a poor role bonus, the got none. CCP could have given it a role bonus for fleet bonus if they were so determined to make it a supported barge, instead they turned it in to a 3 legged dog.
Ginger Barbarella
#125 - 2012-10-22 22:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Das Aivo wrote:
Doesn't CCP realize this is making it almost impossible to mine Ice?

I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?


I hate those stupid goons.


Post the killmails on your two Macks so we can laugh at you fitting for max yield and zero tank.

Edit: Goonie alt detected. They're back to failpoasting on GD again.

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Jita Djinn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-10-22 22:53:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Jita Djinn wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Iosue wrote:
Jita Djinn wrote:
QUIT WHINING! I mine with 4 Procs at the same time... If all of them get blown up i lose almost nothing because they are cheaper than dirt. When you lose a mack you lose 200mil. The ability to make up the difference in mining yeilds is in the hundreds of hours and you almost certainly almost get ganked before you make up the difference...

Wow i kind of started ranting... sorry bout that.


QFT. Why the hell is anyone mining ice in an exhumer??

Same reason they used to mine in untanked hulks everywhere. Best mix of yeild and ore hold.

The difference used to be very very large. Now the yield difference is about 5% and the ore hold is big enough compared to what it used to be.

This matters not to them.


I guess I shouldnt think that people can do a cost benefit analysis...... Considering goons do an ice interdiction and hulkaggedon every year....
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#127 - 2012-10-22 23:07:34 UTC
Jita Djinn wrote:


I guess I shouldnt think that people can do a cost benefit analysis...... Considering goons do an ice interdiction and hulkaggedon every year....

We dont run hulkageddon, thats helllcity's baby.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#128 - 2012-10-22 23:17:18 UTC
Iosue wrote:
Jita Djinn wrote:
QUIT WHINING! I mine with 4 Procs at the same time... If all of them get blown up i lose almost nothing because they are cheaper than dirt. When you lose a mack you lose 200mil. The ability to make up the difference in mining yeilds is in the hundreds of hours and you almost certainly almost get ganked before you make up the difference...

Wow i kind of started ranting... sorry bout that.


QFT. Why the hell is anyone mining ice in an exhumer??

Because Goons made ice mining profitable.

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Powers Sa
#129 - 2012-10-23 00:36:25 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
They're back to failpoasting on GD again.

Says the person who wrote "fail".

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Luc Chastot
#130 - 2012-10-23 00:53:40 UTC
To be fair, mining is so foquin boring, I don't see miners stopping their AFK habits anytime soon.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2012-10-23 02:15:05 UTC
10 catalysts can destroy your mackinaw? 10 hurricanes can destroy my machariel. My machariel is way more expensive than the hurricanes. nerf hurricanes?

Your logic is extremely flawed.

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Christopher Scott
#132 - 2012-10-23 02:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Christopher Scott
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
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So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.


I am going to go ahead and give you an respectful reply.

CONCORD is a reactionary force. They do not really have the capacity to protect people from harm. The best they can do is jam and kill a group of enemy ships before they kill you. Please understand, this is how CONCORD is intended to work. They only react to aggression, and CONCORD will not take any preventative measures to protect you.

You are correct that, because of the above mechanics, a group of people with the right tactics and amount of force can find a way to kill your ship. They can find a way to do this with a high degree of accuracy, while minimizing their losses. These tactics can be sustainable, and sometimes profitable. CONCORD is not capable of preventing this type of scenario, because that is not their purpose. There are little things that you can do to protect yourself, but you probably understand this already and found these solutions to be ineffective.

The ultimate problem is you have little control of your own fate in high security space. It rests within the hands of CONCORD, and they punish any sort of unsanctioned aggression, even if it's preemptively in defense. Some people are better equipped to take that punishment, and some opportunities are worth that punishment, which seems to include your Mackinaw.

If Han shot first in empire space, he would get concordokken'ed. P

But what is the core of your complaint? Do you think these opportunities should not be allowed to exist, or is it a problem with not being able to counter them? Is there a problem with mining ice in lower security space where you can better protect yourself from threats?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#133 - 2012-10-23 03:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Christopher Scott wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
[
So good of a newly minted member of CCP to display his knowledge of game mechanics so well.

Pray tell, how does a "merc corp" protect against suicide gankers?
Until Crimewatch kicks in, a ganker will be able to suicide a ship, and nothing can be done to stop it.


I am going to go ahead and give you an respectful reply.

CONCORD is a reactionary force. They do not really have the capacity to protect people from harm. The best they can do is jam and kill a group of enemy ships before they kill you. Please understand, this is how CONCORD is intended to work. They only react to aggression, and CONCORD will not take any preventative measures to protect you.

You are correct that, because of the above mechanics, a group of people with the right tactics and amount of force can find a way to kill your ship. They can find a way to do this with a high degree of accuracy, while minimizing their losses. These tactics can be sustainable, and sometimes profitable. CONCORD is not capable of preventing this type of scenario, because that is not their purpose. There are little things that you can do to protect yourself, but you probably understand this already and found these solutions to be ineffective.

The ultimate problem is you have little control of your own fate in high security space. It rests within the hands of CONCORD, and they punish any sort of unsanctioned aggression, even if it's preemptively in defense. Some people are better equipped to take that punishment, and some opportunities are worth that punishment, which seems to include your Mackinaw.

If Han shot first in empire space, he would get concordokken'ed. P

But what is the core of your complaint? Do you think these opportunities should not be allowed to exist, or is it a problem with not being able to counter them? Is there a problem with mining ice in lower security space where you can better protect yourself from threats?

You are forgetting the miners mantra:

"We are miners!
We should not need to protect ourselves, take any sort of precautions, or fit for anything other than maximum yield!
It is not in our job description!
We should be the exception to the rule that every other citizen of New Eden lives by!"

Fortunately, many miners do reject this line of thinking... and flourish.

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Marcus Caspius
#134 - 2012-10-23 03:10:33 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
Lol Don't expect much sympathy now with the buffed exhumers. Lol


Yeap, seriously guys from a Miner perspective STFU & HTFU! We got the buff now deal with it!

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#135 - 2012-10-23 04:28:27 UTC
Does it ever occur to anyone to simply not mine/explore/fly/exist anywhere near goonspace?

Seriously. They want to run everything in their little empire? Fine, let them rule it by themselves. All by themselves. Alone. With no one else around. Move to the other side of the map. Let them have fun starting at their their sov map & shooting at rats until they all unsub from sheer boredom.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#136 - 2012-10-23 04:31:05 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Does it ever occur to anyone to simply not mine/explore/fly/exist anywhere near goonspace?

Seriously. They want to run everything in their little empire? Fine, let them rule it by themselves. All by themselves. Alone. With no one else around. Move to the other side of the map. Let them have fun starting at their their sov map & shooting at rats until they all unsub from sheer boredom.


Gallente hisec is not goonspace, it just so happens that the ice is the most popular so they are manipulating the market in an aggressive manner.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Harraria
Perkone
#137 - 2012-10-23 04:42:48 UTC
Buy orders for Blue Ice at 190,000

This time last year they were nearing 300k
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-10-23 04:44:14 UTC
Does anyone mine here or what?

You getting bumped? set your ship to an orbit, when your cargo hold is full dump the stuff in station. Or use the help of the ORCA.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#139 - 2012-10-23 04:48:47 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Does anyone mine here or what?

You getting bumped? set your ship to an orbit, when your cargo hold is full dump the stuff in station. Or use the help of the ORCA.


Yeah, all miners should orbit because it still doesn't work.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#140 - 2012-10-23 05:07:19 UTC
Das Aivo wrote:
I have already lost TWO MACKINAWS!!!

Use Retriever instead. You probably won't notice the difference in yield.


Das Aivo wrote:
I'm only posting on an alt so i don't get hunted down and killed AGAIN.

I am so tired of this.

How are we supposed to mine like this?

1. Don't AFK
2. Don't harvest Gallente ice, which leaves 3 other types for you.