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How will CrimeWatch and the new Bounty System affect trade hubs?
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Megos Adriano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-21 17:45:35 UTC
Food for thought. Discuss. Etc etc.

And boom goes the dynamite.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-10-21 17:48:52 UTC
I don't think it will "effect" the trade hubs, but it could mean people actually shooting at each other outside of them.

I would certainly undock my jita alt to shoot stuff.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2012-10-21 17:58:47 UTC
Megos Adriano wrote:
Food for thought. Discuss. Etc etc.


Why do YOU not tell us ?

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Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2012-10-21 19:10:17 UTC
I think there will be fewer FW corps station humping while tanking the navy and picking off militia industrials. Beyond that, who knows.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2012-10-21 19:28:30 UTC
Fewer neutral reps, and that's about it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6 - 2012-10-21 19:35:34 UTC
I think people will just randomly put bounties on other people. Forum posters will probably get the highest bounties as punishment for bad posts.

Oh god.
LP Ormand
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-10-21 19:41:37 UTC  |  Edited by: LP Ormand
if i understand the new Crime Watch system correctly, there will be alot less (second to none) "loot-my-can-and-fight-me" activity.

EDIT: If i may make a suggestion, this thread should be moved into Crime & Punishment section.

I tried to scam Coreli Initiate once - didn't work.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#8 - 2012-10-21 20:03:50 UTC
The new crimewatch and bounty system will literally be the end of EVE. The new mechanics allow griefing on a scale never before seen. Every peaceful miner, missioner, and incursion pilot will have bounties on their head so big they'll be forced to run L3s in non-shiny ships and mine in Procurers to avoid being a tasty gank target. Subs will drop dramatically and the only people left playing will fly arty Thrashers in the hopes they can catch one of the few other people left on the server, and hopefully shoot first.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#9 - 2012-10-21 21:07:57 UTC
I expect to see new scams based on buying / selling kill rights.

P.S. Could be nice to know how much bounty do people get for killing implantless pilot with 1bil bounty in rookie ship. Zero ISK?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#10 - 2012-10-21 21:10:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Fewer neutral reps, and that's about it.

Hopefully, but I still think there's a moderate chance that the opposite thing might happen. Some people might start fielding logistics chains so large that they can't be broken even if a moderate amount of neutrals decides to interfere. They have high speed, low signature radius, and the capacity for high EHP, so alpha wouldn't work very well either.

Massive logistics amounts are already prevalent in some high-sec "conflicts," so I wouldn't be too surprised if it goes in this direction. There really isn't a whole lot people can do about two dozen guardians.

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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-10-21 21:14:52 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Fewer neutral reps, and that's about it.

Hopefully, but I still think there's a moderate chance that the opposite thing might happen. Some people might start fielding logistics chains so large that they can't be broken even if a moderate amount of neutrals decides to interfere. They have high speed, low signature radius, and the capacity for high EHP, so alpha wouldn't work very well either.

Massive logistics amounts are already prevalent in some high-sec "conflicts," so I wouldn't be too surprised if it goes in this direction. There really isn't a whole lot people can do about two dozen guardians.

Bhaalgorn ball!
stoicfaux
#12 - 2012-10-21 21:18:51 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
The new crimewatch and bounty system will literally be the end of EVE. The new mechanics allow griefing on a scale never before seen. Every peaceful miner, missioner, and incursion pilot will have bounties on their head so big they'll be forced to run L3s in non-shiny ships and mine in Procurers to avoid being a tasty gank target. Subs will drop dramatically and the only people left playing will fly arty Thrashers in the hopes they can catch one of the few other people left on the server, and hopefully shoot first.

Yeah, but where's the bounty money coming from? I can see an initial rash of bounties being placed on people once crimewatch drops, but eventually a little fiscal responsibility will settle things down.

OTOH, I can see bounties being used by larger industrial corps to drive out the competition.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#13 - 2012-10-21 21:23:19 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I think people will just randomly put bounties on other people. Forum posters will probably get the highest bounties as punishment for bad posts.


Bring it on, bitches.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#14 - 2012-10-21 21:25:14 UTC
I don't think crimewatch or the new bounty system will have any real significant effect on the trade hubs themselves. I do anticipate seeing new bait and gank tactics being used on the gates and outside stations in trade hubs... but how effective they will be and thus how long people keep trying them remains to be seen. There's some clever gankers out there... I know I'll be watching with great interest.

...now the new killrights purchasing system... that's another story. I could see corps making a living buying killrights in tradehubs. That could be a real bloodbath, and a danger to anyone without a clean logistics/hauler alt.

In any event... these feature overhauls should keep us busy for a while Big smile

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#15 - 2012-10-21 21:29:02 UTC
Gogela wrote:
...now the new killrights purchasing system... that's another story. I could see corps making a living buying killrights in tradehubs. That could be a real bloodbath, and a danger to anyone without a clean logistics/hauler alt.

I hope you realize that most people with kill rights on them are outlaw destroyer alts that can already be shot anywhere. And even if they aren't now, they certainly will be after the patch. The tiny amount of low-sec pvpers who still shop on their mains will quickly learn not to.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#16 - 2012-10-21 21:42:38 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Gogela wrote:
...now the new killrights purchasing system... that's another story. I could see corps making a living buying killrights in tradehubs. That could be a real bloodbath, and a danger to anyone without a clean logistics/hauler alt.

I hope you realize that most people with kill rights on them are outlaw destroyer alts that can already be shot anywhere. And even if they aren't now, they certainly will be after the patch. The tiny amount of low-sec pvpers who still shop on their mains will quickly learn not to.

I think you give people too much credit....

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#17 - 2012-10-21 21:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Gogela wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Gogela wrote:
...now the new killrights purchasing system... that's another story. I could see corps making a living buying killrights in tradehubs. That could be a real bloodbath, and a danger to anyone without a clean logistics/hauler alt.

I hope you realize that most people with kill rights on them are outlaw destroyer alts that can already be shot anywhere. And even if they aren't now, they certainly will be after the patch. The tiny amount of low-sec pvpers who still shop on their mains will quickly learn not to.

I think you give people too much credit....

Kill rights will only be created through GCC activity in high-sec, and podding in low-sec. Both of those player groups fall soundly into the "outlaw" category.

Are there people who gank on their mains? Yes, there are. But it's a tiny, tiny amount of players. I think that you'll see more kill rights on plain old rookies who accidentally shoot other people without knowing what they're doing than on gankers and low-sec podders, but even then, the new safety switched CCP is implementing makes that questionable.

All I'm saying is that it probably won't be a "bloodbath." Not any more so than killing outlaws in hubs is a bloodbath today.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-10-21 22:06:30 UTC
it won't, at all.
only thing that's going to affect an establishment like Jita is if CCP pick the whole system up, move it to the arse end of nowhere and surround it for 10 jumps in all directions by nullsec.

on a related note, im not really against that ;)

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#19 - 2012-10-21 22:21:46 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Kill rights will only be created through GCC activity in high-sec, and podding in low-sec. Both of those player groups fall soundly into the "outlaw" category.

Are there people who gank on their mains? Yes, there are. But it's a tiny, tiny amount of players. I think that you'll see more kill rights on plain old rookies who accidentally shoot other people without knowing what they're doing than on gankers and low-sec podders, but even then, the new safety switched CCP is implementing makes that questionable.

All I'm saying is that it probably won't be a "bloodbath." Not any more so than killing outlaws in hubs is a bloodbath today.

A lot of people "dabble" in piracy. Sometimes an alliance fight dips into lowsec... hundreds of players can get killrights and barely even remember it. I remember looking over my killrights and thinking "I don't even remember any of this..." Of course... at the time there was no need to remember. FW people kill me all the time for ninja looting. At big fights I see tons of other ninjas going down, getting podded in spite. You might be right though. I guess we will find out soon enough. I just got a pimped Nighthawk for hanging out in Jita after the patch to see what goes down. Big smile

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Harraria
Perkone
#20 - 2012-10-21 23:49:13 UTC
They will sink into depression.
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