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Ginger Barbarella
#41 - 2012-10-21 15:50:51 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Kaylyis wrote:
So what's the dividing line here?

At what point does a fleet become a blob? What's the deciding factor?

I have an opinion, but I'm more interested in the commentary of people who've actually participated in PvP fleet fights.

For the purpose of the argument, "any time you're simply outnumbered," shall be considered a cop-out answer, since fleet engagements historically have depended on either having numbers, or by having your enemy so outclassed tech-wise or tactically that he never stood a chance.


A fleet becomes a blob when the losers of an engagement feel the need to blame something other than their inability to make allies and tactical deficiencies.

And no, during the war up north last year when giant fleets of titans were stomping around and threatening Deklein, I was in many fleets that fought outnumbered and accomplished all strategic objectives.


Get enough monkey's banging on a keyboard SOMETHING will come out. That doesn't make those monkeys the new Shakespeares... Blobs don't win because of tactics: they win thru sheer force of numbers. That's just as fail as ganking unarmed ships sitting in belts.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-10-21 16:02:31 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:

Get enough monkey's banging on a keyboard SOMETHING will come out. That doesn't make those monkeys the new Shakespeares... Blobs don't win because of tactics: they win thru sheer force of numbers. That's just as fail as ganking unarmed ships sitting in belts.


Please educate us on how doing something that is likely to win is a failure. Is this a bushido thing? Should we be dueling at the sun?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-10-21 16:06:28 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
they win


Simple as that.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#44 - 2012-10-21 16:06:53 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:

Get enough monkey's banging on a keyboard SOMETHING will come out. That doesn't make those monkeys the new Shakespeares... Blobs don't win because of tactics: they win thru sheer force of numbers. That's just as fail as ganking unarmed ships sitting in belts.


Please educate us on how doing something that is likely to win is a failure. Is this a bushido thing? Should we be dueling at the sun?

I think he might be calling the individual people fail because of lack of e-honour.

I've found that if you far outnumber the enemy while using smaller ships, accusations of blobbing are much rarer. Frigate pilots have more honour.

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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-10-21 16:09:29 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:

Get enough monkey's banging on a keyboard SOMETHING will come out. That doesn't make those monkeys the new Shakespeares... Blobs don't win because of tactics: they win thru sheer force of numbers. That's just as fail as ganking unarmed ships sitting in belts.


Please educate us on how doing something that is likely to win is a failure. Is this a bushido thing? Should we be dueling at the sun?


Uhhh because this is a game and not real inter-galactic war. The whole point of a game is to have fun, not to decimate your opponent. A game in which one is guaranteed victory is very very boring for the average intelligence and smarter. When I am banker in Monopoly I could steal 10's of 1000s of monopoly money guaranteeing victory. I don't because its not fun, not for me, not for those I am playing against that have no chance of beating my unfair advantage. Only small children need to win every game they play.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#46 - 2012-10-21 16:12:32 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:


Get enough monkey's banging on a keyboard SOMETHING will come out. That doesn't make those monkeys the new Shakespeares... Blobs don't win because of tactics: they win thru sheer force of numbers. That's just as fail as ganking unarmed ships sitting in belts.


Have you ever actually flown in one of those "blobs"?

The FCs of the biggest fleets tend to be on an entire different level from a tactical perspective from their small gang counterparts. Its why they're running fleets in the damn first place.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-10-21 16:14:43 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Uhhh because this is a game and not real inter-galactic war. The whole point of a game is to have fun, not to decimate your opponent. A game in which one is guaranteed victory is very very boring for the average intelligence and smarter. When I am banker in Monopoly I could steal 10's of 1000s of monopoly money guaranteeing victory. I don't because its not fun, not for me, not for those I am playing against that have no chance of beating my unfair advantage. Only small children need to win every game they play.


Except that's cheating in Monopoly. Outnumbering you and stomping you uncontested isn't cheating in EVE - it's just being good.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#48 - 2012-10-21 16:14:59 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:

Get enough monkey's banging on a keyboard SOMETHING will come out. That doesn't make those monkeys the new Shakespeares... Blobs don't win because of tactics: they win thru sheer force of numbers. That's just as fail as ganking unarmed ships sitting in belts.


Please educate us on how doing something that is likely to win is a failure. Is this a bushido thing? Should we be dueling at the sun?


Uhhh because this is a game and not real inter-galactic war. The whole point of a game is to have fun, not to decimate your opponent.

For some, decimating their opponents is fun.
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
A game in which one is guaranteed victory is very very boring for the average intelligence and smarter.

You realize you said that to a goon, right?

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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-10-21 18:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortimer Civeri
Well according to the Eve-O forums:

A FLEET, is what you bring to a fight.

A BLOB, is what the other guy brings, that defeats you, achieves its objective despite your efforts to thwart them, or makes you not want to engage them. Which makes you post stupid threads on EvE-O about evil blobbers/blobs.



I think that about summs it up.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#50 - 2012-10-21 18:56:50 UTC
"Blob" is merely used to put negative connotations on enemy numbers. If you lose a fight or don't engage and numbers is the route cos its always because the enemy is blobbing, not because you failed to get the numbers. The point where people stop complaining about "blobs" and start complaining about corp/alliance mates not fleeting up is a sure sign of incoming fail cascade so crying about blobbing is generally quite healthy.
Speaker for TheDead
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2012-10-21 19:59:20 UTC
Fleet: Whatever you can get to the fight.....
Blob: 3 times the number of the "fleet" and then drops Supers for good measure....Cool

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#52 - 2012-10-21 21:53:05 UTC
Speaking in terms of body weight, it's difficult to be fleet if you are a blob. Smile

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-10-21 22:08:07 UTC
a blob is a fleet that waits till they have 2-3+ times the enemy numbers before engaging.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#54 - 2012-10-21 22:11:22 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
a blob is a fleet that waits till they have 2-3+ times the enemy numbers before engaging.


"OK guys we have even numbers you're not allowed to come anymore."

"No, STFU, we have even numbers, we are not DISHONOROROBU ALLIANCE."

"Go shoot rocks or something screw you you can't come."
Mirima Thurander
#55 - 2012-10-21 22:32:40 UTC
Kaylyis wrote:
So what's the dividing line here?

At what point does a fleet become a blob? What's the deciding factor?

I have an opinion, but I'm more interested in the commentary of people who've actually participated in PvP fleet fights.

For the purpose of the argument, "any time you're simply outnumbered," shall be considered a cop-out answer, since fleet engagements historically have depended on either having numbers, or by having your enemy so outclassed tech-wise or tactically that he never stood a chance.


A fleet becomes.a.blob when you fill your first fleet then make the decision to bring 2 more full fleets just to be sure.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#56 - 2012-10-21 23:04:54 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
a blob is a fleet that waits till they have 2-3+ times the enemy numbers before engaging.

"OK guys we have even numbers you're not allowed to come anymore."

"No, STFU, we have even numbers, we are not DISHONOROROBU ALLIANCE."

"Go shoot rocks or something screw you you can't come."

Worse OP ever. Where's DrakeFleet 2 with Boat and Drakefleet3 with, uh... you get what I mean.

I'm not going to alarm clock to try and beat 100 other CFC members to pressing the Join Fleet button, that's just too much.

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Viktor Fel
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-10-21 23:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Viktor Fel
When they wait to deliver tears to harvest and work as group to let us harvest tears in an orderly way they are a fleet. When they leave their tears all over the place and we have to go shiting all about the area for them they are a blob.

Who is Viktor Fel?

Killboard
unrollloops
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2012-10-22 04:30:04 UTC
Having more ships doesn't necessarily make you a blob. Often times it simply means that you were such elite PVP pilots that you were able to build a bigger fleet than your underhanded opponents could possibly blob. Outfleeting a blob is truly a commendable accomplishment.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#59 - 2012-10-22 06:46:29 UTC
The distinction is quiet simple.

"We" are in a fleet while "they" are in a blob.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#60 - 2012-10-22 06:58:58 UTC
Your tactics hinging upon you having overwhelming force in order to succeed is a good place to start.