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a real AFK cloaking solution
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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-10-23 17:02:16 UTC
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Staleward Ad'mraa wrote:
A good way to keep this from being an over-powered function designed to search system wide, why not limit to the area you are in, which means those hunting for the ship will have to fly to the area.

Congrats... now covert-ops ships that are legitimately spying on fleet and/or stealth bombers that are setting up bombing runs will be located.

As has been said many times by so many... no one has come up with a way to nerf afk-cloaking tactics without nerfing "legitimate" cloaking tactics.

Afk-cloakers will sit in a deep space safe spot. Legitimate cloakers will be on grid watching their enemies.

Also... do a search. AFK-cloaking is done because of local's infallibility in knowing who's there.


Why don't you contribute and debate instead of trolling? It helps improves the game instead of putting everyone down. Legitimate cloakers are even worse, because they can actually spy and give information to enemy fleet without any danger of them being destroyed at all. There needs to be a counter regardless if you feel you should have god-mode in an massive fleet combat.


If you think he was trolling then you must be new to the internet. This may be a surprise to you, but cloaking does actually have counters.

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#62 - 2012-10-23 17:08:34 UTC
Darak Tar wrote:
the only reason I can find for not fleeting up if there is a possible threat of AFK cloaky bomberness is greed. but surely to earn some shared by those in fleet is better than none shared by no-one because they're docked?

it just isn't making sense to me. I feel like i'm missing part of the picture or something.

That's the problem, you really are not missing anything.

A lot of players in low or null feel entitled to operate solo, or sometimes dual boxing.
Regardless which, they still only have one set of eyes with which to see both their local grid and the PvE opportunity they want.

D-Scanning would handicap their time expectations more than they can accept, so they instead go campaigning on the forums to make the cloakies go away. After all, they can run to cover for most other threats, but the AFK cloakies don't leave.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2012-10-23 17:23:56 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
2.> "AFK Cloaking" is a counter to the flawless and constant intel being provided by Local Chat.
Put another way: AFK cloaking is not a problem — it's a solution. If you want that solution to go away, you need to get rid the problem it's there to solve (viz. accidentally perfect intel from a communications feature).
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#64 - 2012-10-23 18:03:29 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Darak Tar wrote:
the only reason I can find for not fleeting up if there is a possible threat of AFK cloaky bomberness is greed. but surely to earn some shared by those in fleet is better than none shared by no-one because they're docked?

it just isn't making sense to me. I feel like i'm missing part of the picture or something.

That's the problem, you really are not missing anything.

A lot of players in low or null feel entitled to operate solo, or sometimes dual boxing.
Regardless which, they still only have one set of eyes with which to see both their local grid and the PvE opportunity they want.

D-Scanning would handicap their time expectations more than they can accept, so they instead go campaigning on the forums to make the cloakies go away. After all, they can run to cover for most other threats, but the AFK cloakies don't leave.


And before someone points out that you can't D-Scan cloaked ships: most 'Plexes, missions, and the sort have an acceleration gate into them. Even if they manage to use the gate without decloaking, landing on the beacon at the destination will decloak them, even briefly. If you're paying attention, you'll see this blip, or catch it on D-Scan (you are D-scanning every couple seconds, right?) if you're further into the 'Plex. Not to mention the fact that D-Scan will show you their probes out in space trying to scan you down and find the 'Plex while you run it.
Bodega Cat
Expedition Spartica
#65 - 2012-10-23 18:40:20 UTC
Almost every ship in EVE can be an anti cloaky hunter ship.

We call them Bait fits.

Set a trap with some corp mates.

Every day, the killboards are littered with losses that have covert ops cloaks that got caught for allllll kinds of funny and strange reasons. I promise they're very much killable in most circumstances of threat.

Game on.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#66 - 2012-10-23 18:41:38 UTC
I would like a way to scan down someones home computer to make sure they are AFk before they accused of it.

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slave-001
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-10-26 12:55:49 UTC
Sellsoul Antixian wrote:
Would it make.you feel better if he did not show upon your local?



if i wanted that luxury id move into a WH.. i think they should see whos in a system just as i should see if theyre in the same system i am in. give me one reason why scanning down a covert ops ship would be a bad idea? it would speed up PVP, it would make scouting more important they just cant sit and wait for a dummy to undock something shiney, it doesnt eliminate the possibility of hot dropping.. it makes the game faster.. if covert ops didnt show up in local then nul sec becomes unfunctioning..



it makes the game faster


Yea, and why would we want that? I bet the slower phase is a huge reason many of us have settled for eve.
Play call of duty or something.