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Problem with AFK Cloaking?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#41 - 2012-10-21 05:28:45 UTC
In the 6 years i have been playing this game...... WHY WONT THIS THREAD EVER GO AWAY??

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-10-21 05:37:26 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Was it you I saw dock in 9DQ in a ratting boat the other day when I showed up. Was it you who whined in local because I wouldn't leave?

Or was it your other EO mates?


Touval Lysander wrote:
Never been to 0.0.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9325240

Might want to fix your story's consistency. vOv


In another thread he claims he's setup an industry pos in nullsec that magically makes Maelstroms cheaper to produce in null than to say ... import.
LordShazbot
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-10-21 06:20:58 UTC
I sometimes afk cloak when i go to get a beer or if i have to go number 2 really bad.

So i see no problem with the afk cloak.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#44 - 2012-10-21 06:26:48 UTC
WOW!

A thread about AFK cloaking!!!

I've never seen such a thread! How novel! Big smile

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AFK Cloaker
Matari Exodus
#45 - 2012-10-21 12:13:42 UTC
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#46 - 2012-10-21 12:18:56 UTC
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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In ur thred afk cloakin

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-10-21 12:29:34 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
In another thread he claims he's setup an industry pos in nullsec that magically makes Maelstroms cheaper to produce in null than to say ... import.

And he claimed he could make things cheaper in hisec in a POS than I could in a station, too. I've absolutely no idea how, but there you go. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kimberli
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2012-10-21 13:36:32 UTC
Well the 'problem' is that a minority can jam up the playstyle of the majority. In real life this happens and forces people to put up fences, lock doors, carry firearms and generally be paranoid - because 1% of the population wants to take more from society than they give.

Eve is played because it involves risk -- you take out the wolves and you take out the majority of the risk. Too much risk and people won't play, too little risk and people will grow bored. So you need to find a sweet spot between anarchy (where only the wolves (who are the minority) want to play) and play land where no one is at risk of losing anything but respawning a few minutes away (yea I am looking at you other MMOs).

As long as the risk falls betwixt these two goal posts -- ITS GOOD. If it falls outside either well its not good (and people will leave the game). I do not believe it falls outside either.

I do think there should be a way to track down a cloaked ship that has been in the same exact spot for hours. They can do this in Star Trek I think with ion trails or some other made up nonesense. It should be tedious and need its own manual - but it should be possible if the conditions are filled.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#49 - 2012-10-22 16:30:47 UTC

AFK cloakers are not a problem....

While they also help mitigate the omniscient "local chat" being used as an intel tool, they help exacerbate unbalanced hotdrop mechanics....
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#50 - 2012-10-22 16:33:55 UTC
Kimberli wrote:
because 1% of the population wants to take more from society than they give.

At this point, your post hit 0% credibility because 99% of arguments using this line to support them have 1% of a chance to be bullshitting 73% of their data.

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Probebly Afk Cloaking
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-10-22 16:39:24 UTC
working as intended
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#52 - 2012-10-22 17:00:44 UTC
It's actually easy to "fix".

I could take an Interceptor to a system, warp to a safe spot and just go, by the time you scan it down it's somewhere else off grid. You won't catch it but you can still scan it down and know it's an interceptor. You know the threat it presents.
With AFK cloaks, you don't know what is cloaked. it might be an Anethema, it might be a Falcon.

A probe that scans for cloaked ships to let people know what they have in system is more than enough. It doesn't need to be a scan that gives you a warp in point, just one that gives you a ship type.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-10-22 17:03:38 UTC
I don't see the act of being AFK and cloaked as the problem. I see the problem as in there is no way to counter the AFK cloaker. He may not be there but he is effecting the game by being AFK in a system while 100% immune to any form of threat whatsoever. And yes...the presence of another player does effect miners and ratters who are legitimately playing the game because they don't know if that cloaked ship is AFK or not. They also don't know if that ship has a cyno or other threats on board. The benefit of being in system whether it be physical or psychological is being granted to a player that is not at his PC and can stay in the system gaining the benefit without ever touching his keyboard.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-10-23 08:18:20 UTC
I'm afk cloaked in this topic.

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luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#55 - 2012-10-23 08:23:48 UTC
Afk cloakers can't harm you, if they can harm you then they are not afk.

http://i.imgur.com/1dl4DM6.jpg
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-10-23 08:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I don't see the act of being AFK and cloaked as the problem. I see the problem as in there is no way to counter the AFK cloaker. He may not be there but he is effecting the game by being AFK in a system while 100% immune to any form of threat whatsoever. And yes...the presence of another player does effect miners and ratters who are legitimately playing the game because they don't know if that cloaked ship is AFK or not. They also don't know if that ship has a cyno or other threats on board. The benefit of being in system whether it be physical or psychological is being granted to a player that is not at his PC and can stay in the system gaining the benefit without ever touching his keyboard.

Fit up a perma-4km/s (or whatever it is you can perma-squeeze out of those things) frig, aim somewhere, engage rockets, go afk, be just as safe as an afk cloaker. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#57 - 2012-10-23 08:26:50 UTC
AFK cloaking exposes the greediest, most cowardly pilots in EVE. It's great.

a bloo bloo I want to be a carebear in nullsec but there's an inactive player in local with me a bloo bloo

I only wish I had more characters to dedicate to afk cloaking
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#58 - 2012-10-23 09:06:05 UTC
Ocih wrote:

A probe that scans for cloaked ships to let people know what they have in system is more than enough. It doesn't need to be a scan that gives you a warp in point, just one that gives you a ship type.


Wow, what a totally new well thought out idea.......

Oh wait... You Just Broke Wormholes. Well done!

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#59 - 2012-10-23 09:17:58 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Was it you I saw dock in 9DQ in a ratting boat the other day when I showed up. Was it you who whined in local because I wouldn't leave?

Or was it your other EO mates?


Touval Lysander wrote:
Never been to 0.0.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9325240

Might want to fix your story's consistency. vOv


In another thread he claims he's setup an industry pos in nullsec that magically makes Maelstroms cheaper to produce in null than to say ... import.

Way to ninja edit.

Touval Lysander wrote:
Never been to 0.0.


^^ this had a QUESTION mark querying the POSTER.

Also. Never made Maelstroms. What I said is we ADAPTED and used our POS's to produce instead of WHINING about lack of slots.

If ya gonna shitpoast and least make it ******* believable. Can't win a ******* argument so just lie instead. JFC.... Roll

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Ravnik
Infinate Horizon
#60 - 2012-10-23 09:19:00 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:
Spurty wrote:
How do you KNOW they are afk?

Because they aren't responding in local and BECAUSE I SAID SO!



I never respond in local. Its called giving me a tactical advantage. Its like ppl in wh's who pick you up on scan then talk in local. If i dont respond then they wont know if im still there, or jumped out.

Also not responding in local seems to wind some ppl up for some reason....

The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly..........