EVE General Discussion

Crippling highsec would rather be the point…

For one, an inverse decimation of public manufacturing slots. Then throw in a (massively) increased LP cost for charters, a percentage-based slot rental fee, and maybe a speed penalty or two just to be on the safe side. That would leave highsec with plenty of room to feed its own meagre needs, but at high cost and low efficiency.

General thoughts:
- Highsec should stay mostly as it is, maybe slightly less profitable but should be focused more as a place for new players to learn the game. It should be limited to 0.8-1.0
- Lowsec would then 0.7 - 0.1, but needs some of its more negative aspects toned down so that we can encourage high sec players to take risks in it. Allow lowsec miners to use system pos's to help protect their belt mining operations. While gate guns in lower security systems should be less powerful, they should not forget about recent aggression just because it occurred at a different gate/station....low security status players should mean being targeted everywhere all the time, unless they have favorable standings with the local system entities. The revamped bounty system and new incursion type mechanic should be used so that industry oriented players can essentially self-organize local militia w/o depending on empire or faction warfare forces. Some mechanic would also need to be in place to keep null sec alliances from taking too much control of low-sec...low-sec needs to be the least controlled/dominated area of space in eve.
- Nullsec, I think is mostly fine....alliances in null sec have had a huge influence over eve and while some of them may appear to be more resource starved now than before, it's unclear if it is really do more to any inbalance than simply a desire for ever more power.
- High sec players should settle for less wealth, but gain access to most of the benefits of low/null sec and higher rewards as they take on more risk. Pirates should settle for an even more dangerous existence, but will have much more targets. Null sec will continue to dominate eve, but perhaps not as strongly as in the past.

At least, this is how I hope things will work out.

Good for them. Then they will go bankrupt in short order (or keep splashing out on PLEX) while those of us who include the costs of running the POS actually end up in the black. Ice mining and PI are disincentives enough in and of themselves that most people don't (and never will) do them, and doing either or both does not remove the costs of running a PLEX anyway…

Sure you can. Just make sure that it would require more effort, cost, competition over locations, and risks in genera to out-source to highsec than doing it in your own back yard. All of that can be done without touching any other part of highsec (not that those other parts don't need to be touched anyway).

And to a point I agree with you.

Where I am coming from is to make production itself vulnerable and valuable - not the asset producing - it puts the conflict into RT - not some preordained limiter as is the timer.

Shift conflict to protection of production. POS bowling becomes pointless. The only way I can see this is to make POS's vulnerable in production mode.

I'm open to other ideas.

EDIT: And also consider that I would not need to hit your tech moons to limit your production of T2, I could ALSO limit the production of the lesser reactions to get the same effect - spreading the potential for conflict even further. You simply will not be able to defend all moons simultaneously. Choices will have to be made and as I've stated, this will ensure contraction. You'll HAVE to.


Yes I know. I'm not suggesting it should be. I'm telling you it is. Maybe more than you realise.

For truth, I'd like to see 0.0 dominate all of Eve. Having said that, I'd also like to see highsec dominate 0.0.

Perhaps making some resources and abilities exclusive to a given sector is a way to make this work.

eg: Trit as a highsec only resource the same way ABC's are 0.0/WH exclusive? A thought. A forced interdependence?

Did you mean why would you have to defend anything? Not sure of your question sorry.

Actually, you know I just had one of those ephinany things. I used the term "A forced interdependence" in a post a couple back.

And it made me think, would we not create a greater seperation between highsec and 0.0 if 0.0 indy can be fully realized.

The dependency on highsec as a production point may in fact be working as intended.

0.0 could be completely sustainable without ever using or needing highsec. Supply line interdiction, everything that is "interdictable" is removed from the equation. Sov wars would become even more boring as it really comes down to localised supply to keep the machine running as it were.

(Or would it in fact increase 0.0 war risks because localised supply is threatened?)

Regardless, highsec would in fact prove even less important to Eve as a whole. Is that a good thing?

Maybe we should wait for Dust and panic after.

No. The material dependency is already there, as is the dependency of another important resource: ISK.

Yes.

Both of which are being asked to be curtailed, limited etc. The dependencies would evaporate.

If the stance is thus it makes everything above true.

But it's inherently debatable.