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Options for Ice Miners

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Orpheus Ovid
Doomheim
#41 - 2011-10-08 16:52:06 UTC
I haven't seen any Goons ganking ice miners...where are they ganking?
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-10-08 17:17:19 UTC
Orpheus Ovid wrote:
I haven't seen any Goons ganking ice miners...where are they ganking?


Ardallabier
Jaschercis
Stegette
Angymonne
Carirgnottin
Ignebaener
Tolle
Actee
Niballe

Blue ice high sec sytems
Orpheus Ovid
Doomheim
#43 - 2011-10-08 17:36:58 UTC
thank you.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#44 - 2011-10-08 19:11:14 UTC

You forgot Aydoteaux system. Next door to Tolle and TWO Ice Belts.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Yoshite McLulzypants
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2011-10-08 21:13:04 UTC
hai guise whats going on itt?
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2011-10-08 21:18:48 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

You forgot Aydoteaux system. Next door to Tolle and TWO Ice Belts.


I also forgot Brapelille.
LeeMinKi
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-10-09 02:24:37 UTC
If anyone really is interested in making this fun for Goons here is what you do.

Warp into the ice belt with an orca.

Eject as many shuttles as you can hold.

Dock up your orca and grab a frigate.

Fly back to the belt and shoot one of your buddies. Concord with fill the belt, blowing up every one of your shuttles.

Goons will try to draw concord away from the belt buy shooting each other at the closest station.

After they do this, go back to the belt and shoot your buddy again.

Rinse and repeat.

With that many concord in the belts, it will take nothing less than an alpha strike from a minmatar battleship to pop the macks.
LeeMinKi
Doomheim
#48 - 2011-10-09 02:35:37 UTC
Oh, and if you have the nut. You could always wardec em and camp the gates.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2011-10-09 05:52:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
LeeMinKi wrote:
With that many concord in the belts, it will take nothing less than an alpha strike from a minmatar battleship to pop the macks.

So the exhumer still dies, the goon gets reimbursed for his dead BS and the miner is out not just his ship but the amount of time it took him to mess around baiting concord that didn't save him in the end. Sounds like a brilliant plan!

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#50 - 2011-10-09 13:14:26 UTC
Someone just posted an interesting option in a comment in the "My Loot, Your Tears" blog - just switch to a Covetor.

The Covetor can mine up to 33 units of ice per hour (vs. 44 for the Mack and 36 for the Hulk), at a fraction of the loss cost (about 6-1/2 M ISK, after insurance) of the Mack or Hulk.

So, you could lose one every 30 minutes and still break even. I doubt that even the Goons and allies could keep up that sort of gank rate for very long.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2011-10-10 02:41:35 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
I doubt that even the Goons and allies could keep up that sort of gank rate for very long.

lol

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2011-10-10 07:28:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Killstealing
there's another way to stay even and maybe even profit while playing eve and not having to ice mine


suicide gank ice miners
pussnheels
Viziam
#53 - 2011-10-10 08:38:08 UTC
Surely there are more gallente systems with blue ice then those 10 systems mentioned
Check your dotlan maps , i am pretty sure you can find a nice high sec island with alot of belts and ice in them

and just repeating what i wrote before
Spawning concord in your belt will not help you one bit , Concord will attack onlmy after you ve been attacked and since a alpha strike will kill any mack CONCORD will just respawn to kill the gankers , plus it is seen as a minor exploit and can get you a nice warning from CCP
MINE SMART and stay alive , eventually this will stop when people are getting tired ond bored of this or when too many people need to repair there security standing again


Goons Delenda Est

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2011-10-10 14:55:12 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Surely there are more gallente systems with blue ice then those 10 systems mentioned
Check your dotlan maps , i am pretty sure you can find a nice high sec island with alot of belts and ice in them

and just repeating what i wrote before
Spawning concord in your belt will not help you one bit , Concord will attack onlmy after you ve been attacked and since a alpha strike will kill any mack CONCORD will just respawn to kill the gankers , plus it is seen as a minor exploit and can get you a nice warning from CCP
MINE SMART and stay alive , eventually this will stop when people are getting tired ond bored of this or when too many people need to repair there security standing again


Goons Delenda Est


17 systems, two are deep island systems, 1 doesn't have a station
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#55 - 2011-10-22 23:52:31 UTC
Just simply strategize. The better you are at preparing for every possible ganking scenario, the better your chances at survival. Sacrifice your MLUs and fit your mining ships for either maximum buffer, maximum resist or whatever other tactic you use. Not only that, don't afk mine (not even semi-afk). They're all hoping that you mess up.

Adapt or Die

Mal Nina
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#56 - 2011-10-23 03:30:48 UTC
Actually I have to applaud Goons for the current campaign. It is brilliant in its inception, only latter will we truly know if it is effective in its execution for such a campaign will have to be long.

The griefing of hisec ice miners by Goons is actually an audacious tactic that fits in nicely with the concept of total war. It is an implementation of the embodiment of economic warfare in total war. If you can ruin your enemy’s economics and sustain your own while pressing them militarily, informationally, and diplomatically you should prevail. One might ask if this was by design, but it works brilliantly.

The constant presence of Goons in the forums where this comes up is a part of the information campaign. You use psyops to get your enemies to fear you and prevent them from any sort of cohesive counteraction. The answers thus far are exactly in line with that sort of campaign, again perhaps by design, perhaps not, but somewhat effective all the same if it gets miners out of the belts.

As a miner your success will be measured by the bottom line. Can you outlast the goons and still make a profit doing what you have always done. The goons are betting you won’t or you will get tired of this constant alert status you have to have to go do something else. In the end the success of the goons campaign will be measured by the price of Oxygen isotopes and their own ability to gain territory and get you to bow to them. Of course economic warfare where you do not control a vast number of the resources is doomed to failure. I have no doubt that even now large number of ice miners are having a field day in nullsec outside of goon space. If goons use military warfare to attempt to control these belts then they have a chance of winning, if not this was just an exercise in messing with hisec ice miners.

At the end of the day it may just be a few goons at the top of the heap that actually benefit from this attempted blockade of ice. You know, the ones that bought lots of Oxygen isotopes before the announcement of the campaign and are now profiting. Of course it is the goon soldier in the field that is potentially loosing Isk as they suicide gank. If that is the case then who really scammed who in this fight? Each of you will have your own answer to that question. Granted some of those soldiers will have gladly done the griefing just to do it regardless the cost. Everyone has their own way of playing the game.

Bottom line, I applaud goonswarm for upping the ante and trying to implement ecomomic warefare. But I still have to root for the little guys out there just trying to make a living … it sort of a David and Golith type of thing.
Belrend Coregaul
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2011-10-25 06:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Belrend Coregaul
The Mittani wrote:
most of them haven't realized yet that we're just killing everything that stands still long enough to be ganked, i gobbled up five hulks in two hours this evening and they all complained that they were 'belt miners' not 'ice miners' so why wasn't i leaving them to live and love in peace and harmony

please do not change hisec i have so many long knives with which to stab you



You're a disgrace to CCP. The fact you're part of the CSM is a joke and you should be deleted and removed from the game.

Miners are already underpowered in all aspects of eve. Go pick on some Gdamn incursion pilots.

Worthless scumbags.



EDIT: And no, I've never been ganked. You're just worthless enough to gain this response which you like to call 'tears' whether or not it's actually 'truth'.
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
#58 - 2011-10-26 10:57:40 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
It will not work coNCORD will only react after a attack so by the time they react you are fried ; second if i am not mistakekn; your idea is seen as a exploit by ccp and you get a friendly warning first time


Best defence is to mine smart there s been plenty of threads explaining how to minimize the risks of getting ganked i am not going to repeat them

And for th Goons we all know they a bunch of liars idiots and cheaters who are scared to death attacking something that actually can shoot back so don't take any notice of these goons trolling


Goons Delenda Est




Incorrect, I suicide gank regularly and was once caught off guard by CONCORD pre-spawned in the belt, I got a single shot off from my Catalyst in 0.6sec. If they are already in the belt/location they will react much faster than usual. It isn't an exploit, I tried to report this behaviour and was told by a GM, much to my chagrin, that it was legitimate as long as they weren't biomassing alts constantly to avoid the sec penalty of doing this. As long as you deal with the penalties of the sec loss, however pointless they may be to the alt, they are good with it.

Consequently, if CONCORD has already been spawned in the system somewhere else far away (>150km) it will take them longer than normal to arrive. So you can do this to prime the system for easier suicide ganks.
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
#59 - 2011-10-26 10:59:29 UTC
Belrend Coregaul wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
most of them haven't realized yet that we're just killing everything that stands still long enough to be ganked, i gobbled up five hulks in two hours this evening and they all complained that they were 'belt miners' not 'ice miners' so why wasn't i leaving them to live and love in peace and harmony

please do not change hisec i have so many long knives with which to stab you



You're a disgrace to CCP. The fact you're part of the CSM is a joke and you should be deleted and removed from the game.

Miners are already underpowered in all aspects of eve. Go pick on some Gdamn incursion pilots.

Worthless scumbags.



EDIT: And no, I've never been ganked. You're just worthless enough to gain this response which you like to call 'tears' whether or not it's actually 'truth'.



It's like throwing the dodgeball at the fat kid or stealing candy from children when their parents aren't looking, easy targets that can't defend themselves. The enjoyment comes from denying someone else something or ruining someone else's day, any loot gained is just bonus.
DetKhord Saisio
Seniors Clan
#60 - 2011-10-26 11:35:07 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
Surely there are more gallente systems with blue ice then those 10 systems mentioned
Check your dotlan maps , i am pretty sure you can find a nice high sec island with alot of belts and ice in them

and just repeating what i wrote before
Spawning concord in your belt will not help you one bit , Concord will attack onlmy after you ve been attacked and since a alpha strike will kill any mack CONCORD will just respawn to kill the gankers , plus it is seen as a minor exploit and can get you a nice warning from CCP
MINE SMART and stay alive , eventually this will stop when people are getting tired ond bored of this or when too many people need to repair there security standing again


Goons Delenda Est


17 systems, two are deep island systems, 1 doesn't have a station


The seventeen Gallente Federation systems with twenty-three ice fields in empre in all their glory.

System - Ice Fields
Actee - 2
Ala - 2
Angymonne - 3
Antollare - 1
Ardallabier - 1
Brapelille - 1
Carirgnottin - 1
Chelien - 1
Deninard - 1
Ignebaener - 2
Jaschercis - 1
Misneden - 1
Niballe - 1
Stegette - 1
Tolle - 1
Vaurent - 1