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Hmmm. Shows how messed up some of the programming is within the game if you have to remove divisions from the Orca's corp hanger. They will be sadly missed.
Work on corp & alliance roles & permissions along with POS security improvements SHOULD be fixed prior to any work done on 'sexy' stuff like modular POSes. There is no point in having more stuff that looks lovely if it leaks like a sieve! I realise fixing corp roles & permissions is probably a really s***** job to have to do but you will make most of the pilots in EVE happy if you do it. Bar the 0.1% who like to rob corp assets that is.

So, if I'm understanding this right, the Orca is losing its division tabs off its corp hangar...

I'm not too happy about this. The division tabs help me keep my Orca organized, and this organization helps during fleet ops and transportation.

Several of my alliance pilots share my sentiments. I'm not seeing any benefit to removing division tabs from the Orca corps hangar.

No, there will be no more divisions. The new coders are unable to read the old code, so it has to go. They're also unable to recode it in code they can read, in order to copy the functionality that is already provided, so we'll get containers instead.

I have one major problem that I think needs addressing.

The Orca has a 40k M^3 in the corp hanger, the Rorqual has a 30k m^3 .

Now forgive me if you do not agree, however if you look at the construction requirements (looking at a virgin BPO) the Orca requires 4 "Capital Corporate Hanger Bays" and the Rorqual requires 17... so one would assume that you would have more space in the Rorqual than the Orca, no?

I personally find it a problem, especially now that the Mackinaw has a 35k ore hold, so when putting into the rorqual you have to put it in 2 times instead of one...

Does anyone else find this a problem?

- Jay

Yes, this is a problem for those that actually heavily use the ships -- for the theory-crafters out there, I'm sure they'll come up with some lame excuse for a different mining fleet composition (e.g. 3 miners / hauler) or some process that is otherwise just crazy to actually try and implement rather than give a practical and implementable answer.

Given the recent barge changes I would love to see the Ore holds on the Orca & Rorqual doubled (or more) and the Cargo/Corp Holds increased as well. Both the Orca and the Rorqual need some updates (ore space in particular).

Can Industrialist get some kind of anti-scan module? I mean some kind of counter would be nice. Or is the answer going to be the same old fit a tank fluff?

What's the problem? Do you really just want Industrial ganking to be mini-pos bashing?

I do not believe that this is anyway derailing the thread. This has very important implications for a large amount of players and should be discussed.

You are the one going off topic with your name calling.

Yes the Orca and other Industrialist can fit a tank. I'm not asking for any kind of HP buff. Just some kind of way to counter scanning. Some new ways to play, since CCP is changing things.

Is it perhaps a bit difficult to read the monitor with your helmet on? Or do you think that others also are lacking in reading comprehension to the degree that you are?

If they wanted a counter to cargo scanning they'd have kept that a feature of the hangars. They don't and so it's not. If you paid any attention to some of their future plans with regard to the enforcement of drug smuggling (they want to shift it to player enforced) then you would understand how completely out of touch with that direction what you propose is. And further the topic is changes to hangars, not New Modules to Allow Risk-Avoidant Play.

You betrayed that this was a whine about ganking when you made your "same old fit a tank fluff" comment. So yes, you are derailing- the issue is not "Ganking is OP and we want you to be at no risk in our dangerous universe sandbox" but "here's the changes to the hangars that make them more intuitive and further in line with how other cargo bays work." On this topic they've received quality feedback from others and have even shown responsiveness to the concerns of users- something commendable, and yet here you are whining about an entirely different topic.

You are not intended to be immune to cargo scans- and changes are being made to reflect that intent and bring the fleet hangars in line with that. If you would like to avoid the vast majority of opportunistic gank attemps you can actually do so by the method you handwave away. If you feel that ganking needs to be addressed, there are other places for that (read: not this one) where your gnashing of teeth would be indeed be appropriate.

Being unscannable was most likely because of the convoluted mess the code involving corp hangars was. Since they're finally getting to scrap some of that, there's no need for such holdovers of bad code to continue.