These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Okay CCP, it's time. Acknowledge the legitimacy of The New Order, James 315, and bumping.

First post
Author
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#141 - 2012-10-20 20:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Weiland Taur
Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2012-10-20 20:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Weiland Taur wrote:
Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed.

Personally, i don't know anybody who did this before he did it, so i call it "different",
especially because nobody gives any indication of it not actually being "new".

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...


(edit: btw, i added something to the last post. just like i do now. ^_^)
Alara IonStorm
#143 - 2012-10-20 20:39:53 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...

I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2012-10-20 20:47:16 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...

I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years.
*LOL*
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#145 - 2012-10-20 20:49:22 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:
Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed.

Personally, i don't know anybody who did this before he did it, so i call it "different",
especially because nobody gives any indication of it not actually being "new".

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...


(edit: btw, i added something to the last post. just like i do now. ^_^)


Miners have been bumped for ages. You can find examples on Youtube of the mechanic being exercised prior to the Jamesian Era. Pilots have been being extorted since the beginning of Eve. Nikki Rahhl (sp) was doing this just last year in Aydoteux (sp). He/she ran a protection racket and herded the miners beneath her/his wings like lost sheep. It was a little sad to hear them calling for their "sheriff" when other miners tried mining their rocks or made that sad in local. Goons pulled this during the last interdiction; you could buy a pass from the local Goon boss to ice mine. Not sure if it was honored but the "mechanic" was there. The idea of using your target's frustration as a means to extort ISK is the foundation of certain AFK system camping, bumping, some aspects of the ninja salvaging, mission item theft, etc... All use the same basic tool; I will get in the way of what you are doing until I frustrate you enough for you to pay me to leave. The tool is ingenious but hardly new.
James jumped on the bandwagon of blaming the miners (hisec dwellers) for their own ills; a flavor of propaganda popularized again by Goonswarm prior to James's grabbing the script. I am sure with some research into the forums you would find similar diatribes against mission runners, Incursion runners, etc... Even the Roleplaying aspect is fairly recycled. One of the most interesting things in Eve is how the most basic aspects of "fascism 101" are used to great effect on an amnesia prone audience unable to remember that the same stunt was pulled on them during the last expansion cycle.

Ok, my soapbox is cracking and I should get down.

Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#146 - 2012-10-20 20:50:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Weiland Taur
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...

I like to think he once saw a log over a creak and when he saw London Bridge or the Golden Gate he was like that's not impressive, I saw that before, logs have been doing that for years.


That was awesome.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#147 - 2012-10-20 20:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Solstice Project wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:
Have to say I loved how much you put in there. Gives me stuff to read and learn from. I still stand by what I said, doing what everyone else has done but LOUDER is not emergent. The "Miner, pay me or I make your life hell by bumping," is as old as eve. I don't need to think at a deeper level to call it what it is, recycled and redressed.

Personally, i don't know anybody who did this before he did it, so i call it "different",
especially because nobody gives any indication of it not actually being "new".

You *really* *should* care to explain why you believe it's recycled and redressed, as you say ...


(edit: btw, i added something to the last post. just like i do now. ^_^)



Why wasting time trying to explain what you are unable to understand?

Some people have tried countless times and you're still fixed with same nonsense arguments so, :crazyfrog: says "rrrintim tim tim tim"

brb

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#148 - 2012-10-20 20:56:16 UTC
I read the first 2 pages.
Skimmed the 3rd.
Skipped the next 2.

But found a GM response.

Dear Mr. Pig James (some random number)

You can't win a Kewpie Doll on the Bumper Cars, you need to play the Shooting Gallery, yes, the one with the little ducks?

Regards
GM WTF

Supporting evidence.

James 3:15 at work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmB5M9DJwH0

Note there is 6m:50s of BS and preamble before anything happens. (Proves that it's James 3:15)

(Warning to viewers: Images of James 3:15)

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."

Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#149 - 2012-10-20 22:14:34 UTC
Wow.....I have to agree with dev, who was phone.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#150 - 2012-10-20 23:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanyr Andrard
8 of people arguing against strawmen, on all sides of the debate. It'd be much more productive if we had a brainstorming session on possible improvements to the collision system. Or, my personal favorite, we put James315 out of business by moving all ice to lowsec/nullsec. That's a win/win, highseccers will no longer get bumped, and afk/bot ice miners will now get killed lickety split.
LordShazbot
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-10-21 00:43:35 UTC
James 315 is a boss-hog. I have enjoyed his blogs and lol at all the awesomeness that he provides. Seeing how much fun James 315 is having while playing spaceships gives me one more thing to do if i start to get bored with what ever i am currently doing. Hats off to James 315 for playing how he wants to play.

Hater gon hate.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#152 - 2012-10-21 07:39:33 UTC
HI-sec

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 

MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#153 - 2012-10-21 08:18:31 UTC
It would've been epic if he was James 304.
"Consider ships: they are so large that strong winds are needed to drive them. But pilots direct their ships wherever they want with a little rudder."
Kaz Ironhand
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2012-10-21 21:06:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaz Ironhand
LordShazbot wrote:
James 315 is a boss-hog. I have enjoyed his blogs and lol at all the awesomeness that he provides. Seeing how much fun James 315 is having while playing spaceships gives me one more thing to do if i start to get bored with what ever i am currently doing. Hats off to James 315 for playing how he wants to play.

Hater gon hate.


I didn't even know this random guy was the only one having fun while playing spaceships and doing it how he wants to ...Clearly I was wrong about it all along.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#155 - 2012-10-21 23:30:02 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
8 of people arguing against strawmen, on all sides of the debate. It'd be much more productive if we had a brainstorming session on possible improvements to the collision system. Or, my personal favorite, we put James315 out of business by moving all ice to lowsec/nullsec. That's a win/win, highseccers will no longer get bumped, and afk/bot ice miners will now get killed lickety split.

What about just increase the barge/exhumer mass by 1000x.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#156 - 2012-10-21 23:39:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
8 of people arguing against strawmen, on all sides of the debate. It'd be much more productive if we had a brainstorming session on possible improvements to the collision system. Or, my personal favorite, we put James315 out of business by moving all ice to lowsec/nullsec. That's a win/win, highseccers will no longer get bumped, and afk/bot ice miners will now get killed lickety split.

What about just increase the barge/exhumer mass by 1000x.


lol the New Order would just bring more bumping Machs

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#157 - 2012-10-22 03:13:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
8 of people arguing against strawmen, on all sides of the debate. It'd be much more productive if we had a brainstorming session on possible improvements to the collision system. Or, my personal favorite, we put James315 out of business by moving all ice to lowsec/nullsec. That's a win/win, highseccers will no longer get bumped, and afk/bot ice miners will now get killed lickety split.

What about just increase the barge/exhumer mass by 1000x.


lol the New Order would just bring more bumping Machs


which would fail.

It'd be an interesting change. My favorite part would be that you could no longer get barges/exhumers through wormholes as they'd be too massive, unless you carried them in an orca or other ship with an SMA, in which case you could fit 2 or more at a time no problem.

In return for your fine suggestion, I'd like to suggest:

fixing nullsec industry by increasing the volume of frigates by 1000x.

fixing afk cloaking by increasing the time taken to travel using a jump bridge or by a jump-capable capital by 1000x.

fixing the problem of imbalanced highsec income by increasing the blueness of Jita's sun by 1000x.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#158 - 2012-10-22 04:03:32 UTC
Ramming causes damage to both ships and is treated as an attack. Problem solved.

Now this would still allow a "bumper" to push a miner into another miner. But that would take a) a skill which is not currently required and b) people to be brain dead or afk.

Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#159 - 2012-10-22 04:22:44 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Ramming causes damage to both ships and is treated as an attack. Problem solved.

Now this would still allow a "bumper" to push a miner into another miner. But that would take a) a skill which is not currently required and b) people to be brain dead or afk.




'treated as an attack'...what?

Which one is the attacker, and which one receives the attack? Faster ship? Lighter ship? Ship where the collision was nearest to their prow? The ship that belong to a larger alliance?

Any of these lets you concord someone else just flying along minding their own business.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#160 - 2012-10-22 07:32:57 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Ramming causes damage to both ships and is treated as an attack. Problem solved.

Now this would still allow a "bumper" to push a miner into another miner. But that would take a) a skill which is not currently required and b) people to be brain dead or afk.



Great idea. I'll just sit outside Jita 4-4 and watch the fireworks.