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Okay CCP, it's time. Acknowledge the legitimacy of The New Order, James 315, and bumping.

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#421 - 2012-11-08 18:16:09 UTC
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time.



Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?
Anuillae Fourneaux
Calydon Inc.
#422 - 2012-11-08 18:19:45 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?

OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#423 - 2012-11-08 18:20:36 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time.



Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?


Interesting, Anslo sets himself up as an anti new order campaigner and then uses the same tactics against miners who don't support him, hypocrisy at its finest.

Nathalie, if you're an ice miner who doesn't currently possess a permit, please evemail me and I shall personally purchase one on your behalf, as appreciation for your good deed in bringing this to light.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#424 - 2012-11-08 18:22:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Nov. 2nd, 16:47.21 server time, more or less.
Who was it bumping? What did they say? I assume you've got the logs on hand, judging by the accuracy of the time.



Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?


Interesting, Anslo sets himself up as an anti new order campaigner and then uses the same tactics against miners who don't support him, hypocrisy at its finest.

Nathalie, if you're an ice miner who doesn't currently possess a permit, please evemail me and I shall personally purchase one on your behalf, as appreciation for your good deed in bringing this to light.


Actually, it was miners who changes ships and started bumping miners away, NOT miners who wouldn't join. Neutrality is neutrality. But paying, and then bumping. Welp, you're fair game Smile

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#425 - 2012-11-08 18:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nathalie LaPorte
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?

OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.


[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned
[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois
[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers

I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously.

Anslo wrote:
Actually, it was miners who changes ships and started bumping miners away, NOT miners who wouldn't join. Neutrality is neutrality. But paying, and then bumping. Welp, you're fair game Smile


This is a lie, as the chatlog above shows, he bumps miners "siding with the bumpgeious", not just miners who have bumped miners before. I watched it with my own two eyes :)
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#426 - 2012-11-08 18:25:42 UTC
Miners bumping other miners is economic warfare, every cycle lost by a miner due to bumping opens up the opportunity for another to sell more product, be it minerals or ice products.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#427 - 2012-11-08 18:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?

OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.


[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned
[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois
[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers

I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously.


Yep Smile
At first I'd intercept other stabbers and ships by kind of angling in front of them.
IF that didn't work, I'd get in front of the miner in the direction they were bumped, and push them back to their asteroid to make sure their cycles kept on working.
So if you want to be literal, yes I've been in a stabber for a bit. But it's more to undo the damage you do. Smile

EDIT: Say what you want Nathalie, I frankly don't care. It's a war. Smile

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#428 - 2012-11-08 18:29:59 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?

OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.


[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned
[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois
[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers

I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously.


Yep Smile
At first I'd intercept other stabbers and ships by kind of angling in front of them.
IF that didn't work, I'd get in front of the miner in the direction they were bumped, and push them back to their asteroid to make sure their cycles kept on working.
So if you want to be literal, yes I've been in a stabber for a bit. But it's more to undo the damage you do. Smile

EDIT: Say what you want Nathalie, I frankly don't care. It's a war. Smile


yes it is. But I don't know which side you're on. I've seen you bump at least 3 miners personally, not because they were bumpers, but because they "supported the new order" and wouldn't join the procommunistariat instead.
Anslo
Scope Works
#429 - 2012-11-08 18:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anuillae Fourneaux wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Anslo's been roaming around bumping miners who don't support the procommunisttariat for the past week in a stabber, you didn't know?

OK, ta. And if I knew, I wouldn't be asking.


[ 2012.11.02 04:30:08 ] Anslo > as far as im concerned
[ 2012.11.02 04:30:14 ] Anslo > any minr siding with the bumpgeois
[ 2012.11.02 04:30:22 ] Anslo > deserves counter bumping, as much as the bumpers

I was just guessing on the time before, this is the first time I saw him bump someone else, but he was already in a stabber so who knows how long he'd been bumping miners previously.


Yep Smile
At first I'd intercept other stabbers and ships by kind of angling in front of them.
IF that didn't work, I'd get in front of the miner in the direction they were bumped, and push them back to their asteroid to make sure their cycles kept on working.
So if you want to be literal, yes I've been in a stabber for a bit. But it's more to undo the damage you do. Smile

EDIT: Say what you want Nathalie, I frankly don't care. It's a war. Smile


yes it is. But I don't know which side you're on. I've seen you bump at least 3 miners personally, not because they were bumpers, but because they "supported the new order" and wouldn't join the procommunistariat instead.



All's fair in love and war Nathalie! If a miner is neutral, I leave them alone, and just help them adapt. Last night, for instance, a group was being bumped by your lot, but there's was about 8 of em in corp. I helped them figure out how to angle their ships and prevent themselves from being bumped away, but bumped against the roids!

This way, they either stayed put while being bumped, or the bumper ship bounced away in about 4 different directions. v

But as for those who pay, sorry but that's the enemy. You can villainize me if you want, but oh well Smile If the miners of resisting systems tell me it's ok and encourage us to do so, I don't really care what you or anyone else think Big smile

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#430 - 2012-11-08 18:37:07 UTC
Anslo wrote:


All's fair in love and war Nathalie! If a miner is neutral, I leave them alone, and just help them adapt. Last night, for instance, a group was being bumped by your lot, but there's was about 8 of em in corp. I helped them figure out how to angle their ships and prevent themselves from being bumped away, but bumped against the roids!

This way, they either stayed put while being bumped, or the bumper ship bounced away in about 4 different directions. v

But as for those who pay, sorry but that's the enemy. You can villainize me if you want, but oh well Smile If the miners of resisting systems tell me it's ok and encourage us to do so, I don't really care what you or anyone else think Big smile




"I don't really care what you or anyone else think" - Anslo

"Communism best-munism" - Anslo

"Just because I'm in a stabber, and you're in a retriever, that doesn't mean you're the real miner here" - Anslo

Nothing I can possibly say is as damaging to you as your own words.
Anslo
Scope Works
#431 - 2012-11-08 18:41:01 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:


"I don't really care what you or anyone else think" - Anslo

"Communism best-munism" - Anslo

"Just because I'm in a stabber, and you're in a retriever, that doesn't mean you're the real miner here" - Anslo

Nothing I can possibly say is as damaging to you as your own words.


If I was ashamed or considered it damaging to anyone who matters (i.e. miners, pve'ers and casual gamers), I wouldn't keep quoting your quotes of..my quotes. I mean hell, the second quote? That's scathing and damaging? Roll

But continue ahead, it won't stop the resistance Smile

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#432 - 2012-11-08 18:43:57 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:


"I don't really care what you or anyone else think" - Anslo

"Communism best-munism" - Anslo

"Just because I'm in a stabber, and you're in a retriever, that doesn't mean you're the real miner here" - Anslo

Nothing I can possibly say is as damaging to you as your own words.


If I was ashamed or considered it damaging to anyone who matters (i.e. miners, pve'ers and casual gamers), I wouldn't keep quoting your quotes of..my quotes. I mean hell, the second quote? That's scathing and damaging? Roll

But continue ahead, it won't stop the resistance Smile


That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#433 - 2012-11-08 18:46:22 UTC
Is there *actual* resistance to the bumpers ?

I mean ... besides Ignorance and posting on the forums ...
Anslo
Scope Works
#434 - 2012-11-08 18:48:55 UTC
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:

That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object.


Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible.

Will people not be comfortable? Sure
Will people be upset? Of course
Will people keep resisting? You bet

I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs.

So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more. Smile

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#435 - 2012-11-08 18:50:16 UTC
CCP and mining mechanics are the problem, bump them ffs.

J9139284987 - bad manifesto, bad logic and bad conclusions.

"New Order" - derivative of above.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#436 - 2012-11-08 18:52:19 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:

That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object.


Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible.

Will people not be comfortable? Sure
Will people be upset? Of course
Will people keep resisting? You bet

I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs.

So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more. Smile

So ... what do you do ? I'd like to know.
I don't pick a side, as long as no side whines about the other.

And ... although only slightly interesting, but still genuine ... why are you helping those who won't defend themselves ?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#437 - 2012-11-08 18:53:34 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
So ... what do you do ? I'd like to know.
I don't pick a side, as long as no side whines about the other.

And ... although only slightly interesting, but still genuine ... why are you helping those who won't defend themselves ?

It's emergent gameplay...

Roll

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#438 - 2012-11-08 18:54:29 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
So ... what do you do ? I'd like to know.
I don't pick a side, as long as no side whines about the other.

And ... although only slightly interesting, but still genuine ... why are you helping those who won't defend themselves ?

It's emergent gameplay...

Roll

And what exactly has your response to do with my post ?

It wasn't even addressing you.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#439 - 2012-11-08 18:54:30 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Nathalie LaPorte wrote:

That's true. The resistance has to start, before it can stop. Bumping miners definitely doesn't qualify as starting a resistance to the bumping of miners, and that's the only thing I've seen you guys do so far. I would be a fool to attempt to do the impossible, such as stop an unmoving object.


Like I said, all that matters to me is the opinion of the miners. They say go, I go. They say stop, I stop. Shame me all you want, tell me I'm evil, quote what you'd like. In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible.

Will people not be comfortable? Sure
Will people be upset? Of course
Will people keep resisting? You bet

I don't like doing it anymore than anyone else, unless it's to keep miners on their asteroids. Those miners have thanked me and others for working to protect them in that way. But they've spoken and said that the tactic against pro-bumpers makes sense. They want one thing, you out of their system. They'll secure that want at all costs.

So please. Villanize me, spit on my name, try to discredit me. This resistance started with the bumpers talking down and spitting on the name of the casual gamer, and it will end when bumping miners is no more. Smile


? I'm not villainizing you, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong when you say "In the end, the miners and casual gamers are willing to fight in anyway possible. " They're not even at the computer. You pretending that everyone is flaming you, when they're just pointing out that you're saying untrue things, is patently obvious misdirection.

If you feel that me simply quoting you was villainizing you, then that says all that needs to be said, doesn't it.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#440 - 2012-11-08 18:56:41 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

And what exactly has your response to do with my post ?

It wasn't even addressing you.

it's a freebe, say thank you.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.