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Okay CCP, it's time. Acknowledge the legitimacy of The New Order, James 315, and bumping.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#261 - 2012-10-28 21:52:09 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
DeadSea Youngblood wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
DeadSea Youngblood wrote:
I've been following minerbumping for months now, and as a new player, I applaud this fascinating and interactive way of playing and making isk the New Order has shown so many. My question is when will Ccp buff bumping so that the payouts are on par with missioning, mining, and FW? Will we be receiving our own Lp store? How will our NPC agents be dispersed?

lol way too obvious.
At least try having a different style of writing ...


No, seriously, I am a newbie writing my first ever post on the eve-o forums. Totally legit.

I feel like Ccp should make a statement about where they stand. Either it's working as intended and miners need to adapt or Ccp wants to eventually correct it and they should let players know so both sides can argue about THAT instead of asking fo' a rules clarification.


Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this.


But it would just be so much better for everyone if we could link them a Dev post that will completely crush their hope. After that, we can start the rebuilding process.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#262 - 2012-10-28 21:58:51 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this.

But it would just be so much better for everyone if we could link them a Dev post that will completely crush their hope. After that, we can start the rebuilding process.

That's ...

it's better when they petition and get advice from the GM to orbit the rock.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#263 - 2012-10-28 22:22:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this.

But it would just be so much better for everyone if we could link them a Dev post that will completely crush their hope. After that, we can start the rebuilding process.

That's ...

it's better when they petition and get advice from the GM to orbit the rock.


I've always loved how hilariously wrong GM advice is. It's almost like they don't even play the game.

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Onyxius Leone DeSilva
Doomheim
#264 - 2012-10-28 22:47:34 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
[His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden.

His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back.
He's running an extortion business pure and simple.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#265 - 2012-10-28 22:47:58 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Lets see here... Going by the amount of petitions filed against bumpers (many) compared to the amount of bumpers that have been banned (none), I would say CCP's stance is pretty clear on this.

But it would just be so much better for everyone if we could link them a Dev post that will completely crush their hope. After that, we can start the rebuilding process.

That's ...

it's better when they petition and get advice from the GM to orbit the rock.


I've always loved how hilariously wrong GM advice is. It's almost like they don't even play the game.

Well I think newbie bumpers might miss the bump.

Still, nothing better than getting advice, trying it out and realizing the bumper has got you where they want you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#266 - 2012-10-28 22:57:21 UTC
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
[His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden.

His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back.
He's running an extortion business pure and simple.


Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.
Now I'll leave the definition of Miner Bumping to James but for the sake of your argument, what exactly is wrong with running an extortion business in EVE?

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Beachura
Doomheim
#267 - 2012-10-28 23:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Beachura
Nobody cares, and CCP do not need to clarify anything for your importance or your excuse for a corporation that does absolutely zero to the benefit of eve online, or anyone within it.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#268 - 2012-10-28 23:32:41 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
[His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden.

His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back.
He's running an extortion business pure and simple.


Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.
Now I'll leave the definition of Miner Bumping to James but for the sake of your argument, what exactly is wrong with running an extortion business in EVE?

Indeed, it's like you've never heard of giev misl or bump.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#269 - 2012-10-28 23:48:45 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
What is this... I dont' even... are there rumors flying about banning bumpers??? a totally legit gameplay tactic?



Harass players because they don't play like you want, seems to me it's something against the rules. The form you choose to harass someone is your own interpretation of what you can or not do, and only CCP can say if at some point this bumping stupidity followed often by requests of isk is a valid game play or bulling/harassing other players.

Seems someone shot his own foot, once again, and haven't realised yet there will be consequences at some point.
Bumper tears incoming??? -juicy
Moar threads "high sec safer yadda ya"? -great, this is awesome and entertaining.


You're defending people who are abusing the petition system trying to get someone banned because he doesn't play the game the way they like to play.

This is a multiplayer sandbox. You can do whatever you want. So can everyone else. That includes the time honored activity of "Screwing with you."

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#270 - 2012-10-28 23:54:20 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
You're defending people who are abusing the petition system trying to get someone banned because he doesn't play the game the way they like to play.

This is a multiplayer sandbox. You can do whatever you want. So can everyone else. That includes the time honored activity of "Screwing with you."

Their playstyle includes screwing with the GMs by petitioning people that bump them.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#271 - 2012-10-28 23:54:48 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
BoSau Hotim wrote:
What is this... I dont' even... are there rumors flying about banning bumpers??? a totally legit gameplay tactic?



Harass players because they don't play like you want, seems to me it's something against the rules. The form you choose to harass someone is your own interpretation of what you can or not do, and only CCP can say if at some point this bumping stupidity followed often by requests of isk is a valid game play or bulling/harassing other players.

Seems someone shot his own foot, once again, and haven't realised yet there will be consequences at some point.
Bumper tears incoming??? -juicy
Moar threads "high sec safer yadda ya"? -great, this is awesome and entertaining.


You're defending people who are abusing the petition system trying to get someone banned because he doesn't play the game the way they like to play.

This is a multiplayer sandbox. You can do whatever you want. So can everyone else. That includes the time honored activity of "Screwing with you."


It would appear that my 'Free Ruby' campaign was a great success.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#272 - 2012-10-28 23:58:47 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
It would appear that my 'Free Ruby' campaign was a great success.


When did you start giving out free booze? Why didn't I get any?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Onyxius Leone DeSilva
Doomheim
#273 - 2012-10-29 00:20:49 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
solution to bumping inbalances

realistic collision modeling

halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even!

Erm...nobody would ever be able to dock or undock without blowing up?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#274 - 2012-10-29 00:22:59 UTC
WB Ruby Big smile

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#275 - 2012-10-29 00:30:15 UTC
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:
solution to bumping inbalances

realistic collision modeling

halo does it, why cant eve online, its not that hard. Small vehicle hits tank, small vehicle explodes/dies, heck flight simulators going back into the 90's have had some form of collision modeling even!

Erm...nobody would ever be able to dock or undock without blowing up?

Yeah. Massive battleship rams into a cruiser-sized mining vessel.

Cruiser sized mining vessel explodes/dies.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Onyxius Leone DeSilva
Doomheim
#276 - 2012-10-29 00:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Onyxius Leone DeSilva
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.

Last time I looked, barges and exhumers had no weapons, hence they CANNOT fight back. Hell. they can't even warp away if they're bumped out of alignment, so they can't escape the bumpers either.
If their drones attack the bumper, they get Concordokkened.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#277 - 2012-10-29 00:48:37 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
[His motives are well defined and though his arrogance makes his actions come across as griefing, his interests lie in the overall health of New Eden.

His interests lie in lining his wallet and he's found the perfect way to do it which requires no work or risk, the perfect ship targets who cannot fight back.
He's running an extortion business pure and simple.


Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.
Now I'll leave the definition of Miner Bumping to James but for the sake of your argument, what exactly is wrong with running an extortion business in EVE?

Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line.
It is just what you call it.
Also miners can only fight against a minority, remember most of these bumpers jump to npc corp.
And until a majority are in THE NEW ORDER INC. it can not be said that miners can fight back.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#278 - 2012-10-29 00:57:44 UTC
Onyxius Leone DeSilva wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

Firstly, miners can fight back. They choose not to.

Last time I looked, barges and exhumers had no weapons, hence they CANNOT fight back. Hell. they can't even warp away if they're bumped out of alignment, so they can't escape the bumpers either.
If their drones attack the bumper, they get Concordokkened.


Drones are a weapon. I would also expect that bearing the brunt of suicide ganks since forever, that miners would be quite competent at suicide ganking by now. They choose not to be.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#279 - 2012-10-29 00:59:46 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:

Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line.


Bumping is not griefing or harassment within EVE.

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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#280 - 2012-10-29 01:01:20 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:

Extortion and greifing/harassment have a zero difference line.
It is just what you call it.
Also miners can only fight against a minority, remember most of these bumpers jump to npc corp.
And until a majority are in THE NEW ORDER INC. it can not be said that miners can fight back.



Haha wow, miners can't fight back until all the bumpers are in a single corp? Now I've seen everything.

Seriously dude the fact you can't think of anything else is why you fail.