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Okay CCP, it's time. Acknowledge the legitimacy of The New Order, James 315, and bumping.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2012-10-22 17:18:19 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Interesting.

I retract my before made comment. Can you tell me when bumpers are around ?
Last time i visited the system, there weren't any there.
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#202 - 2012-10-22 17:26:27 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Dread Pirate Pete wrote:
The real gripe with James (hilarious as he may be) is not that he bumps miners, but that miners can do nothing about it. You cant bump him back, thats pointless. You can't shoot him, you can't even wardec him. You cant fit anti-bumping mods. Ignoring him and hoping you have more patience is hardly a winning plan.

In every other instance of harassment there is something you can do about it, kill rights for ganks, flags for stealing your loot, etc. I don't know exactly what would be a good mechanic that wouldn't be used by gankers to lure noobs to flag themselves, but I'm sure some form of system can be dreamt up.

What I have yet to see is an explanation from the bumper camp as to why they should be invulnerable to retaliation from the miners, or the miners friends. What they do may not be against the EULA, but that is no reason for why they should be safe in EvE. Surely James has enough isk for a few more stabbers saved up somewhere?

So tell me bumpers, exact mechanics aside, do you think there should be flagging for what you do? And if no, does that not make you the very worst form of self hating carebears?

I have already fully addressed that question.


"There shouldn't be any way to stop me kthxbye"

Pirate
Vanyr Andrard
VacuumTube
#203 - 2012-10-22 17:26:56 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
Interesting.

I retract my before made comment. Can you tell me when bumpers are around ?
Last time i visited the system, there weren't any there.




The bumpers have made a temporary voyage to Gallente space. Their vacation spot there is in Tolle, and neighboring systems . This only happened yesterday, so I have yet to make personal observations there. I assume it will be different, as GSF's ice interdiction is also happening in those systems, so will be interesting to see how the dynamic is different. I suppose I'll be switching to a tanked procurer to mine there on my alt.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2012-10-22 17:28:29 UTC
Vanyr Andrard wrote:
The bumpers have made a temporary voyage to Gallente space. Their vacation spot there is in Tolle, and neighboring systems . This only happened yesterday, so I have yet to make personal observations there. I assume it will be different, as GSF's ice interdiction is also happening in those systems, so will be interesting to see how the dynamic is different. I suppose I'll be switching to a tanked procurer to mine there on my alt.

Thanks for the info !
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#205 - 2012-10-22 18:23:13 UTC
Just move one system over. Problem solved. Don't talk to them. Don't acknowledge them. Simply go to another system and let karma do the work for you.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2012-10-22 18:40:42 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Just run away, try to ignore that you're a coward and hope somebody else will deal with him.
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2012-10-22 18:44:33 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Just run away, try to ignore that you're a coward and hope somebody else will deal with him.



No a matter of cowardice. I want to mine, I'm going to mine.

If I go to a restaurant, and someone was blocking the door, would I try to beat him up? Would I get arrested because I want to go to a restaurant?

No, I'd go to another restaurant. Simple.

So yes, someone else can deal with him, but he won't be affecting my gameplay.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2012-10-22 18:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Just run away, try to ignore that you're a coward and hope somebody else will deal with him.



No a matter of cowardice. I want to mine, I'm going to mine.

If I go to a restaurant, and someone was blocking the door, would I try to beat him up? Would I get arrested because I want to go to a restaurant?

No, I'd go to another restaurant. Simple.

So yes, someone else can deal with him, but he won't be affecting my gameplay.

Yep, cowardice.
(edit: one could also call it Ignorance. Ignorance is Strength, i've heard ... but the outcome is the same anyway)

If somebody blocks the door, i ask him to step aside.
If he doesn't step aside, i'll make him move aside.

Why ? Because i want to go in that restaurant !


I don't see why i should let the will of others be forced upon me ...
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2012-10-22 18:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tali Ambraelle
Solstice Project wrote:

Yep, cowardice.

If somebody blocks the door, i ask him to step aside.
If he doesn't step aside, i'll make him move aside.

Why ? Because i want to go in that restaurant !


I don't see why i should let the will of others be forced upon me ...


Because current game mechanics have not yet proven that he can merely be "pushed aside." You're welcome to try it, but that would be far too civil of you.

Either way, as I said before; JC or move to another system, and continue to mine while enjoying banter or watching a movie.

(edit: one could also call it Ignorance?Call it what you'd like dear, I frankly don't care.)
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2012-10-23 08:40:50 UTC
Tali Ambraelle wrote:
(edit: one could also call it Ignorance?Call it what you'd like dear, I frankly don't care.)

Obviously you can't.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#211 - 2012-10-23 11:18:48 UTC
I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.


So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#212 - 2012-10-23 11:31:36 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.


So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.
Gives a whole new meaning to "escort service" i guess ... ^_^
Nanatoa
#213 - 2012-10-23 13:00:28 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.


So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.


Good luck trying to counterbump a 3km/s Stabber Fleet Issue

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2012-10-23 13:04:48 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
I don't know who thinks there is no counter to the Bumpers; I've seen 'escort bumpers' in many ice fields permabumping anybody that even gets close to their fleet ice mining op. Seems to work, mostly.....one bumper got so pissed he forgot he was up in hisec and got CONCORDOKKENED....was pretty funny.


So it looks like a few of the ice miners are awake and adapting, it seems.


Good luck trying to counterbump a 3km/s Stabber Fleet Issue


Post with your main.

Also any half wit pilot can intercept a Stabber at 3 km/s. An interceptor...harder, much more so. A Stabber? Hah.

Either way, the miners will adapt and your "mission" will be made useless. You won't interfere with the majority of afk-miners. There might be 9 in your system, but there's 19,000 across the universe. You already fail :)

Miners win.
Nanatoa
#215 - 2012-10-23 13:14:39 UTC
A typical incoherent response.

"Hah! Countering you is easy!"
"We will adapt!"
"You will be made useless"
"You have no impact"

If we have no impact and fail, why do we still need to be made useless? Why do you need to adapt if we have no effect? Is counterbumping necessary if what we're doing is useless?

I have yet to see a single counterbump btw; all I've seen so far is miners getting out their combat ship, with predictable results.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2012-10-23 13:18:54 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:

If we have no impact and fail, why do we still need to be made useless?

Because we have enough spam posts here. I'd like some OC for a change. You are not OC.

Quote:
Why do you need to adapt if we have no effect?

Because your affect is limited in scope. 9 need to adapt, the rest of the thousands of miners don't need to. Simple as that. Whatever effect you have is very, very limited. People wouldn't even know about it if you didn't pontificate on the forums.

Quote:
Is counterbumping necessary if what we're doing is useless?

Sure, because some people take pride for an odd reason in their system and where they mine, so they don't want to leave. In the grand scheme of things, your task is useless. It's just a minor (cwutididthar) annoyance to them. But still, useless.

Quote:
I have yet to see a single counterbump btw; all I've seen so far is miners getting out their combat ship, with predictable results.

Here's a thought, try bumping where all the real bots are; 0.0 Alliance Space. I'm sure they'd be very accepting of your...message.
Nanatoa
#217 - 2012-10-23 13:23:24 UTC
It wouldn't be very logical for the New Order of Highsec to operate in 0.0, would it? Not until the whole of highsec has been Orderified anyway.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2012-10-23 13:25:43 UTC
Nanatoa wrote:
It wouldn't be very logical for the New Order of Highsec to operate in 0.0, would it? Not until the whole of highsec has been Orderified anyway.


Now who has an incoherent reply? Won't even attempt to answer my responses?

Right...

Enjoy your wasted time dear.
Nanatoa
#219 - 2012-10-23 13:32:04 UTC
I answered the only new thing you said in your post (the thing about 0.0). Everything else is just the same old same old. You can consider the New Order useless all you like - it's like a kid putting his hands of his ears and closing his eyes, pretending everything is fine as long as he doesn't hear or see a thing.

"Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2012-10-23 13:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tali Ambraelle
Nanatoa wrote:
I answered the only new thing you said in your post (the thing about 0.0). Everything else is just the same old same old. You can consider the New Order useless all you like - it's like a kid putting his hands of his ears and closing his eyes, pretending everything is fine as long as he doesn't hear or see a thing.


But everything is fine. Miners still mine. The ore still flows in ridiculous amounts. It's the "same old" because it's a fact. You can't claim that you're having a statistically significant impact when well, you aren't. You're throwing the wrench in a few players gameplay, which is jerkish in itself.

But in the grand scheme of things, trying to say that you are "the New Order" or highsec is like a school yard child saying he owns the entirety of the playground and park, while the majority of passerby's chuckle and move on unhindered. Saying you have an impact is laughable.

Also lolRP.