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CCP stealth nerfed exploration?

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#21 - 2012-10-18 16:19:30 UTC
Went out exploring and quickly found a 4/10 site and a Hemorphite site (Everyshore high sec). The 4/10 site sucked, and the Hemorphite got sucked. All seemed normal.

But every patch it does seem like exploration gets messed up somehow. Some areas go barren for a week or two, then things straighten out.

CCP, maybe you should make a time lapse movie of signature locations starting on a patch day and going forward. It might show if there are any oddities.

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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-10-18 16:19:46 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
half a dozen people? In game with 50,000 online....

yeah
Yet the experiences of you, one person, apparently means the game is broken. Yeh good job champ.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-10-18 16:24:30 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
Yeah yeah ....these posts happen alot but its very very apparent that there is close to nothing spawning. Anyone can post "random is random" but even if it was random there would be more then there is right now.
No there would not. That's not how “random” works.

As an illustration, watch this array of random numbers: 1 1 1 1 1 1 …
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#24 - 2012-10-18 16:29:10 UTC
Urge to troll rising...Rising....RISING....

Oh, why hello there CCP Goliath!

Urge to troll FADING........ Fading........fading...... gone


*pout*
Sarmea Moon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-10-18 16:33:31 UTC
Funny, I started goofing around with exploration about 5 days ago, running sites 12 hours a day. Maybe my alt corp is the reason for your dry spell? What region:D

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-10-18 18:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: TriadSte
Tippia wrote:
TriadSte wrote:
Yeah yeah ....these posts happen alot but its very very apparent that there is close to nothing spawning. Anyone can post "random is random" but even if it was random there would be more then there is right now.
No there would not. That's not how “random” works.

As an illustration, watch this array of random numbers: 1 1 1 1 1 1 …


Thing is all great and mighty Tippia there is no such thing as random because any number generator has to be man made most likely using a human made algorithm. Therefore never ever actually random. This is how card counting can work in casinos if you know what algorithm the card dealing machines use you can win the house.

Also I'm talking nullsec here, not those poxy worthless empire sites.


Sarmea Moon wrote:
Funny, I started goofing around with exploration about 5 days ago, running sites 12 hours a day. Maybe my alt corp is the reason for your dry spell? What region:D


Admitting you spend 12 hours a day on eve is lulz
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-10-18 18:53:22 UTC
You fail to see a grander scale.

Not saying that this is your case, but it's a perfectly valid example:

Somebody finds a region where he is mostly alone and can explore his heart out.
For three weeks straight, every system he scans in he finds sites he loves to run.
After three weeks ... nothing. Whole region is almost dead for too long to care staying there.

That's how it works. A bug could only be claimed if there were more people experiencing
the same issue, because that would indicate an anomaly.

Remember that for an infinite set of numbers, all digits are spread evenly. Your problem is
that you can only review a small, finite part of that infinite set of numbers and thus you ...
... and eventually everybody ... will find himself in a situation like yours ... wondering.

Unless, of course, you know better.

Now you know better.



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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#28 - 2012-10-18 18:59:06 UTC
TriadSte wrote:

Also I'm talking nullsec here, not those poxy worthless empire sites.


Yeah, the 250,000,000 ISK I made mining out a Large Hemo/Hedb/Jasp Site yesterday in 1 hour and 15 minutes is worthless, m'kay ?


TriadSte wrote:

Admitting you spend 12 hours a day on eve is lulz


I don't find it sad, or funny, or anything. Should make no difference to anybody.

If you are just trying to troll, it's a very bad job of it tbh.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2012-10-18 19:01:29 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

Remember that for an infinite set of numbers, all digits are spread evenly. Your problem is
that you can only review a small, finite part of that infinite set of numbers


+1

Straight out of the pages of Rudy Rucker's excellent book on infinite set theory "Infinity and the Mind".

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-10-18 19:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

Remember that for an infinite set of numbers, all digits are spread evenly. Your problem is
that you can only review a small, finite part of that infinite set of numbers


+1

Straight out of the pages of Rudy Rucker's excellent book on infinite set theory "Infinity and the Mind".

I have no idea ... i just thought that's how it works. ^_^
(edit: and thanks ... maybe i'll find time to have a look at this book :)
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-10-18 19:06:21 UTC
sounds like OP got spoiled by frequent ded sites. go to another region.
and here's your explanation:
1) random
2) you aren't the only explorer in eve
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-10-18 19:06:34 UTC
4 days is nothing.

I saw something like what your reporting last for about 6 months. It got so bad that hostiles were sharing intel on sites... or the lack there of.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#33 - 2012-10-18 19:19:02 UTC
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2012-10-18 19:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
TriadSte wrote:
Thing is all great and mighty Tippia there is no such thing as random because any number generator has to be man made most likely using a human made algorithm. Therefore never ever actually random. This is how card counting can work in casinos if you know what algorithm the card dealing machines use you can win the house.
Eh, no. Card counting works because you know the statistics and you have a very limited (ed: not to mention exhaustible) set of outcomes.

Just because the algorithm is pseudo-random doesn't change the fact that, no, “random” does not work that way. If it was random, there would be exactly the amount there is, and at any given period of time, this amount would be unpredictable and have no connection to any other period of time. An guess what, that seems to be exactly what you're experiencing.

For instance, observe this set of random numbers: 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2012-10-18 19:40:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:


For instance, observe this set of random numbers: 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3.


My favorite example of random number counting is the digits of Pi. Any piece, large or small, is utterly random.

Sometimes I'm not sure if people have even been taught what random truly means mathematically.

But trying to use casino games as an example of random is definitely flat out wrong indeed.

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Moondancer Starweaver
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#36 - 2012-10-18 19:46:26 UTC
Perramas wrote:
I dont know about exploration but I know my Jboots are slower since last patch.


Yours too? I think they increased the spawn time of Nag too
TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-10-18 19:51:19 UTC
The machines that deal cards in casinos use mathematical algorithms. Therefore the cards can never ever be truly random.

I'm not butt hurt by lack of sites, but I was not aware they work like wormhole sites.




Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#38 - 2012-10-18 20:01:52 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Yeah, the 250,000,000 ISK I made mining out a Large Hemo/Hedb/Jasp Site yesterday in 1 hour and 15 minutes is worthless, m'kay ?

250m in 1 hr : 15 minutes on HHJ?

You err... sure?

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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#39 - 2012-10-18 20:04:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:

For instance, observe this set of random numbers: 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3.

Just gave ya 2 likes Tippia. I saw 9998.

I prefer symmetry. **** random.

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Alexylva Paradox
#40 - 2012-10-18 20:05:35 UTC
TriadSte wrote:
Anecdotal lol...

I wish jerks would go in the game and leave the forums because you ruin perfectly decent topics.

I am posting about something that is indeed very real, based on factual findings. This is not based on 1 days exploring niether this is 4 ish days of an entire region being dry.

In my opinion it is improbable that close to 25 systems be dry of sites for 4 days straight.

If indeed it is a bug as CCP Goliath states it could be then it needs looking into now.



the plural of anecdote is not data.


No one else is reporting issues, come back when you have some actual statistics beyond "It seems really empty to me"

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