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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2012-10-18 15:00:57 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:

Provocation and implying that I had done something that I didn't do doesn't make it true.



Your implication that they would even begin to consider changing the fundamental format of EVE.......out of an expressed, BY YOU, opinion in a posting.....is damning enough, and comes with an implied lack of faith in their company.

They don't need my faith to run the company, nor do I need to give them. I've always appreciated their work and dedication to this game; but when I say I'm disappointed, I will say I am. It has nothing to do with my respect towards CCP.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#122 - 2012-10-18 15:02:06 UTC
Anslo wrote:


No. You're the very reason Eve is stagnant. It isn't what I think the game is and how it should be played, though that's what every single hard core nul bear pvper says but doesn't admit to.

No, I'm talking about getting RID of the elitism. If you wanna pvp, go for it. But don't act high and mighty with that "you second class citizen pleb non pvper" crap. Eve is a sandbox. If it is to evolve to that true sandbox that CCP wanted, the elitism and rioting over anything NOT ship balancing has to go.

What do you want? Another 10 years of balancing ships? How long do you think CCP will survive? Stagnation is never good for business.


People who cry about elitism tend to be closeted elitists themselves.

But beyond that, what you want is unrealistic. Get rid of elitism? lol That's asking for ccp to somehow nerf human nature......

I know, because As much as I HATE the entitlement /risk averse-never leave high sec/"EVE should be more solo/safe/casual to suit my personal gaming needs, SCREW everyone else because i paid 15 bucks" crowd, i know they will never "go away".. They are in every game, in every aspect of life, they are simplify sad angry people railing at the unfairness of a universe that was desinged specifically for them.

In X-wing they were the "this game really needs Newtonian physics, screw the movies" folks, in Mechwarrior they were the "omg Axes and maching guns and flam throwers affecting mechs is stupid, screw battletech) guys, and in EVe they are the

It won't stop me from asking them to gtfo, or from pointing them out on the forums (*stares at Anslo*). Ignorance and Arrogance that goes unchallenged is ignorance and arrogance accepted.
Anslo
Scope Works
#123 - 2012-10-18 15:02:35 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Anslo wrote:

No. You're the very reason Eve is stagnant. It isn't what I think the game is and how it should be played, though that's what every single hard core nul bear pvper says but doesn't admit to.

No, I'm talking about getting RID of the elitism. If you wanna pvp, go for it. But don't act high and mighty with that "you second class citizen pleb non pvper" crap. Eve is a sandbox. If it is to evolve to that true sandbox that CCP wanted, the elitism and rioting over anything NOT ship balancing has to go.

What do you want? Another 10 years of balancing ships? How long do you think CCP will survive? Stagnation is never good for business.

No, you are just confirming what I said. You don't like the 'elite' attitude of PvPers in a game that is focused mainly - but not exclusively, and quite rightly so too - on PvP, and so want to shift the focus away from the core of the game, simply because you disagree with it? gtfo.


Because CCP and EVE will be around and growing rapidly for another 10 years with ship balancing and kneeling to the cries of nul/low bears.

Learn business, look and think outside of Eve. If you REALLY cared about Eve and wanted it to grow, and thrive for another 10, 20, 30 years, you'd see why EVE IS PVP ONLY NO AVATARS NOTHING ELSE PEWPEWPEW LOLOLOLSCRUB attitudes from elitists is bad for this game.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#124 - 2012-10-18 15:02:52 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:

Provocation and implying that I had done something that I didn't do doesn't make it true.



Your implication that they would even begin to consider changing the fundamental format of EVE.......out of an expressed, BY YOU, opinion in a posting.....is damning enough, and comes with an implied lack of faith in their company.

They don't need my faith to run the company, nor do I need to give them. I've always appreciated their work and dedication to this game; but when I say I'm disappointed, I will say I am. It has nothing to do with my respect towards CCP.


Well said.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#125 - 2012-10-18 15:03:48 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Because CCP and EVE will be around and growing rapidly for another 10 years with ship balancing and kneeling to the cries of nul/low bears.

Learn business, look and think outside of Eve. If you REALLY cared about Eve and wanted it to grow, and thrive for another 10, 20, 30 years, you'd see why EVE IS PVP ONLY NO AVATARS NOTHING ELSE PEWPEWPEW LOLOLOLSCRUB attitudes from elitists is bad for this game.

I was too slow with my edit:
Arkon Olacar wrote:

EDIT: To clarify, no I don't think a decade of database tweaks would be healthy for Eve at all. Even the most eleet peeveepee of -A- faggots doesn't want that. But there is a world of difference between wanting the principal focus of Eve to remain on PvP and conflict, and wanting Eve to be practically the same in ten years time as it is now.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#126 - 2012-10-18 15:04:20 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:

MALARKY the .8 nerf to HI & 1.2 buff to NULL payouts was exceeded in Incursion payout differences and still NULL cried for Incursion nerfs until itwas granted & it broke incursions to the point they are now dying


NERFING IS THE PROBLEM Nerfing is a lazy way to fix issues when appropriate & thoughtfull buffs would incrementally solve issues with the least amount of screaming. CCP's current trend of creating blundering Monty Haul campaigns with huge nerf bats accross the knees of other profitable portions of the sandbox has made the forums into a screaming match with everyone scared thier income will soon be on the chopping block so they figure point CCP in the other direction by screaming:
"GO NERF THE OTHER GUYS SANDBOX DO NOT TOUCH MY SANDBOX MY SANDBOX IS PERFECT & BALANCED" So far the best screamers have been peeps in worm holes whom have not seen CCP touch thier golden gooses in over 2 years Blink


Spouting that nonsense a second time doesnt make it any less wrong.



It's not nonesense its the attack other people's sources of income to protect your own income strategy which has worked so well for NULL THAT THE MOON GOO NERF KNOWN AS RING MINING HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK A YEAR
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#127 - 2012-10-18 15:06:36 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:

Provocation and implying that I had done something that I didn't do doesn't make it true.



Your implication that they would even begin to consider changing the fundamental format of EVE.......out of an expressed, BY YOU, opinion in a posting.....is damning enough, and comes with an implied lack of faith in their company.

They don't need my faith to run the company, nor do I need to give them. I've always appreciated their work and dedication to this game; but when I say I'm disappointed, I will say I am. It has nothing to do with my respect towards CCP.



Conceded. But the original postng didn't seem to me to read that way.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#128 - 2012-10-18 15:07:07 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Anslo wrote:

No. You're the very reason Eve is stagnant. It isn't what I think the game is and how it should be played, though that's what every single hard core nul bear pvper says but doesn't admit to.

No, I'm talking about getting RID of the elitism. If you wanna pvp, go for it. But don't act high and mighty with that "you second class citizen pleb non pvper" crap. Eve is a sandbox. If it is to evolve to that true sandbox that CCP wanted, the elitism and rioting over anything NOT ship balancing has to go.

What do you want? Another 10 years of balancing ships? How long do you think CCP will survive? Stagnation is never good for business.

No, you are just confirming what I said. You don't like the 'elite' attitude of PvPers in a game that is focused mainly - but not exclusively, and quite rightly so too - on PvP, and so want to shift the focus away from the core of the game, simply because you disagree with it? gtfo.


Because CCP and EVE will be around and growing rapidly for another 10 years with ship balancing and kneeling to the cries of nul/low bears.

Learn business, look and think outside of Eve. If you REALLY cared about Eve and wanted it to grow, and thrive for another 10, 20, 30 years, you'd see why EVE IS PVP ONLY NO AVATARS NOTHING ELSE PEWPEWPEW LOLOLOLSCRUB attitudes from elitists is bad for this game.



And yet it has survived this long when most theme parks that try to cater to the solo/casual crowd have died.

And that's what burns you types the most isn't it? That the game that goes fundamentally against what you think it should be has lived so long as it is. If it had died or lost most of it's subs that would have confirmed your belief, but it hasn't, and you can't stand it.

Sad.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#129 - 2012-10-18 15:08:54 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

It's not nonesense its the attack other people's sources of income to protect your own income strategy which has worked so well for NULL THAT THE MOON GOO NERF KNOWN AS RING MINING HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK A YEAR

The caps lock just makes your arguments look ridiculous.

Simply buffing null sec income from ratting would simply make inflation even worse than it currently is, the only way to achieve a proper balance between null and high sec (which does not currently exist) is to lower high sec income. A 20% drop in mission income is not crippling, but coupled with a 10/20% buff to null sec ratting income, it makes null attractive enough to entice people from high sec in search of isk.

Also, take the tin foil hat off, most null sec players I know (including goons, believe it or not) are in favour of a moon goo (or at least a tech) nerf.
Anslo
Scope Works
#130 - 2012-10-18 15:09:54 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Anslo wrote:

Because CCP and EVE will be around and growing rapidly for another 10 years with ship balancing and kneeling to the cries of nul/low bears.

Learn business, look and think outside of Eve. If you REALLY cared about Eve and wanted it to grow, and thrive for another 10, 20, 30 years, you'd see why EVE IS PVP ONLY NO AVATARS NOTHING ELSE PEWPEWPEW LOLOLOLSCRUB attitudes from elitists is bad for this game.

I was too slow with my edit:
Arkon Olacar wrote:

EDIT: To clarify, no I don't think a decade of database tweaks would be healthy for Eve at all. Even the most eleet peeveepee of -A- faggots doesn't want that. But there is a world of difference between wanting the principal focus of Eve to remain on PvP and conflict, and wanting Eve to be practically the same in ten years time as it is now.


OK then I apologize, I think there's a bit of a disconnect in our communication. I'm not saying to shift from conflict or whatever. Like I've said before, you wanna pew? Pew your black little heart out. You wanna mine? Eat up that veld roid. You wanna mission? Bring me back a piece of salvage for my industrial alt.

It's this elitist crap where people thinking "pvp only all others are second rate" attitude that gets me. I love Eve, and I want to see it grow beyond the little pod and ship and overview. People make fun of Eve all the time as spread sheets in space. Some elitists would keep it that way. Those are the people I hate (*stares at JennaSide*).

I want people to see Eve, see the walking in stations and planets, see the immersive and massive fleet fights, see the exploration of abandoned stations, and the shipyards, the cities, the whole universe as it can be. If people stopped crying about things like PvE vs PvP, WiS vs SS, this might happen. But no, we stagnant. That is my problem over all. Elitism preventing Eve from being the best god damn MMO sandbox on this planet.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#131 - 2012-10-18 15:10:56 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:

Also, take the tin foil hat off, most null sec players I know (including goons, believe it or not) are in favour of a moon goo (or at least a tech) nerf.



Yup. I had to agree with the OTEC concept as the way to demonstrate to CCP a broken mechanism.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#132 - 2012-10-18 15:11:00 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

MALARKY the .8 nerf to HI & 1.2 buff to NULL payouts was exceeded in Incursion payout differences and still NULL cried for Incursion nerfs until itwas granted & it broke incursions to the point they are now dying


If I remember correctly part of the driving force behind the argument to nerf incursions was also to drive targets into low and null sec.

Those targets... those fat juicy faction fitted targets!!

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m81db4AuuX1qb51sq.png




And when incursions were nerffed beyond the point of being worth running did those targets flock to null sec where they could be harvested?






no.

...

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#133 - 2012-10-18 15:13:24 UTC
Anslo wrote:
That is my problem over all. Elitism preventing Eve from being the best god damn MMO sandbox on this planet.


This mindset of elitism winds up infecting everything in the world from political parties to literary circles.

EVE just reflects and even magnifies that (probably due to anonymity as a factor).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Anslo
Scope Works
#134 - 2012-10-18 15:14:07 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

And yet it has survived this long when most theme parks that try to cater to the solo/casual crowd have died.

And that's what burns you types the most isn't it? That the game that goes fundamentally against what you think it should be has lived so long as it is. If it had died or lost most of it's subs that would have confirmed your belief, but it hasn't, and you can't stand it.

Sad.


Stay a cop, you'd make a horrible business person.

It's worked so far. But the more CCP is stagnant, the more time the competition has time to learn, adapt, and publish something that could be 100x better than Eve.

Remember Earth and Beyond? Great game, too bad it closed. No imagine if someone took the concept up again, looked and studied Eve, and applied the gameplay of FiS AND made WiS a core part of the game. They made the universe even MORE immersive than Eve. Do you think Eve and CCP would survive?

CCP has survived by staying one step ahead of the competition on every aspect of their game. But ships and balancing will only take one so far. If a business is to expand, it needs to adapt its product or service to encompass more publics. You don't do that, you die off eventually to the competition.

So no, I'm quite happy Eve has survived so long, and I want it to survive longer. I indeed love this game. But people like you, who would stagnant it and keep it from evolving into a gigantically all encompassing true sci fi MMO universe are the ones who'd destroy it.

Sad. :)

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#135 - 2012-10-18 15:14:48 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Anslo wrote:

Because CCP and EVE will be around and growing rapidly for another 10 years with ship balancing and kneeling to the cries of nul/low bears.

Learn business, look and think outside of Eve. If you REALLY cared about Eve and wanted it to grow, and thrive for another 10, 20, 30 years, you'd see why EVE IS PVP ONLY NO AVATARS NOTHING ELSE PEWPEWPEW LOLOLOLSCRUB attitudes from elitists is bad for this game.

I was too slow with my edit:
Arkon Olacar wrote:

EDIT: To clarify, no I don't think a decade of database tweaks would be healthy for Eve at all. Even the most eleet peeveepee of -A- faggots doesn't want that. But there is a world of difference between wanting the principal focus of Eve to remain on PvP and conflict, and wanting Eve to be practically the same in ten years time as it is now.


OK then I apologize, I think there's a bit of a disconnect in our communication. I'm not saying to shift from conflict or whatever. Like I've said before, you wanna pew? Pew your black little heart out. You wanna mine? Eat up that veld roid. You wanna mission? Bring me back a piece of salvage for my industrial alt.

It's this elitist crap where people thinking "pvp only all others are second rate" attitude that gets me. I love Eve, and I want to see it grow beyond the little pod and ship and overview. People make fun of Eve all the time as spread sheets in space. Some elitists would keep it that way. Those are the people I hate (*stares at JennaSide*).

I want people to see Eve, see the walking in stations and planets, see the immersive and massive fleet fights, see the exploration of abandoned stations, and the shipyards, the cities, the whole universe as it can be. If people stopped crying about things like PvE vs PvP, WiS vs SS, this might happen. But no, we stagnant. That is my problem over all. Elitism preventing Eve from being the best god damn MMO sandbox on this planet.


The only problem is you, to blinded by your hate of the game the way it is to see anything else. The part I underlined is a case in point, if you can't enjoy a thing for what it is now, no amount of change is ever going to satisfy you.

I am not against change, I want some of that stuff too, but not at the expense of what EVE is. Stagnation is death (EVE is not stagnant by the way, it only seems that way to the people who want reckless change for change's sake), but too much change to quick for no good reason is just as bad.

I love that EVE is a niche game, there are plenty of other games for the masses, plenty of themparks to the casuals to enjoy, THIS game is hard core, THIS GAME IS FOR US. love it or leave it.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#136 - 2012-10-18 15:16:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Anslo wrote:

Remember Earth and Beyond? Great game, too bad it closed. No imagine if someone took the concept up again, looked and studied Eve, and applied the gameplay of FiS AND made WiS a core part of the game. They made the universe even MORE immersive than Eve. Do you think Eve and CCP would survive?

CCP has survived by staying one step ahead of the competition on every aspect of their game. But ships and balancing will only take one so far. If a business is to expand, it needs to adapt its product or service to encompass more publics. You don't do that, you die off eventually to the competition.




Unfortunately, when CCP tries to be ahead of the game, especially with WiS, we saw how that turned out in player reaction.

It's a case of "damned if they do and damned if they don't".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Ghazu
#137 - 2012-10-18 15:18:13 UTC
PVE needs to be improved by making it more fun and engaging, more splosions, immersive, variety, unpredictability and etc.

You people seem confused. Safer PVE with less risk and bigger isk ticks don't make EVE's PVE any better or more appealing to would-be players.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#138 - 2012-10-18 15:18:33 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
Arkon Olacar wrote:
Despite the endless stream of tears from high sec carebears, all most null sec players want to rebalance high and null is a x0.8 to be applied to all high sec bounties, and a x1.2 multiplier to be applied to all null sec bounties, to fix the relative risk/reward ratio between the two. I have no problem with people wanting to semi-afk run missions or whatever for isk, they just shouldnt receive similar rewards to people who have to deal with cloaky campingfags 23/7.

And yes those numbers were pulled out of my ass, but you get the general idea.


No.

The null sec isk faucet needs a nerf.

Cloaky AFK = no risk

Have you ever lived in null? even a few days, maybe? no?


LOL, ship poasting to parry the argument I see - try another tired old meme.Roll

Nope, not lived in null, still learning the game in hi / low sec in which I see none blues in local all the time without making a mess in my pants or sending out Jabber pings - can you say the same? P

Oh, maybe you missed the CSM minutes earlier this year in which the following was stated:

CCP Soundwave: “I can, with virtual certainty, say that this December we’re going do something about cap and supercap presence in anomalies. That is the biggest faucet we have right now.”

~deal with it~
Anslo
Scope Works
#139 - 2012-10-18 15:20:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


The only problem is you, to blinded by your hate of the game the way it is to see anything else. The part I underlined is a case in point, if you can't enjoy a thing for what it is now, no amount of change is ever going to satisfy you.

I am not against change, I want some of that stuff too, but not at the expense of what EVE is. Stagnation is death (EVE is not stagnant by the way, it only seems that way to the people who want reckless change for change's sake), but too much change to quick for no good reason is just as bad.

I love that EVE is a niche game, there are plenty of other games for the masses, plenty of themparks to the casuals to enjoy, THIS game is hard core, THIS GAME IS FOR US. love it or leave it.


Oh give me a break. And how long do you think your precious hobby will last without change and instead continually perpetuates elitism, pvp only attitudes and gameplay huh? Why do you think CCP is catering more to the casual masses in order to keep them around doing something simple like missioning?

Because it works. It gets them money, more money to invest into Eve and make it stupidly awesome. It's not a matter of no change satisfying me, it's limited changes to numbers here and there because of crying elitists I have an issue with. When was the last time we got a content update as big as Apocrypha, let alone ANY content. Apocrypha sucked me back into Eve hard. I loved it to absolute death. THAT was a big change that some could argue was for changes sake as you'd say, but that was one of the single greatest expansions I had ever seen. Did we need wormhole space and sleepers? Elitists would say no. Was it awesome nonetheless? You bet your ass.

So for now, Eve is a niche game, but if we're going to continue to see the game we love expand and become even greater, the niche needs to grow. There's only so many accounts one person can have. It's not a matter of making it a theme park, I have guild wars 2 for that. It's a matter of thinking beyond PVP PEWPEW only. This is a sandbox, not an arena.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#140 - 2012-10-18 15:20:52 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

And yet it has survived this long when most theme parks that try to cater to the solo/casual crowd have died.

And that's what burns you types the most isn't it? That the game that goes fundamentally against what you think it should be has lived so long as it is. If it had died or lost most of it's subs that would have confirmed your belief, but it hasn't, and you can't stand it.

Sad.


Stay a cop, you'd make a horrible business person.

It's worked so far. But the more CCP is stagnant, the more time the competition has time to learn, adapt, and publish something that could be 100x better than Eve.

Remember Earth and Beyond? Great game, too bad it closed. No imagine if someone took the concept up again, looked and studied Eve, and applied the gameplay of FiS AND made WiS a core part of the game. They made the universe even MORE immersive than Eve. Do you think Eve and CCP would survive?

CCP has survived by staying one step ahead of the competition on every aspect of their game. But ships and balancing will only take one so far. If a business is to expand, it needs to adapt its product or service to encompass more publics. You don't do that, you die off eventually to the competition.

So no, I'm quite happy Eve has survived so long, and I want it to survive longer. I indeed love this game. But people like you, who would stagnant it and keep it from evolving into a gigantically all encompassing true sci fi MMO universe are the ones who'd destroy it.

Sad. :)


Your stupidity know no bounds then, how is my love of the game AS IT IS and my advocating caution in changing what has PROVED to be a winning proposition for a decade keeping anyone (especially ccp) from doing anything?

You actually think if people stop voicing their opinions and just take to voicing YOUR opinion that somehow eve will morph into this incredible new "something" that will be great and epic for billions of people? You simply have a fascist instinct, YOU are the one trying to control the actions of others, then projecting that on others as if THEY were somehow trying to force people to do something.

I get that you think that you "love EVE" (you don't you're in love with your vision what you think EVE should be), but I think you'd be happier somewhere else.

Scratch that, I don't honestly think anything would make you happy. People like you need something to complain about and try to change.