EVE General Discussion

Or we'll eschew it ourselves, but leak it onto kugu and let some real damage be done. The way the markets looked during Tier 5 spikes? Yeah that'd have been child's play if we'd leaked forex for anyone to do.

This should amuse you then. It goes far beyond that.

We compartmentalize to a huge degree. Less than 10 people know any given thing we may do when it comes to finance. Networks of alt corps a given, using our GS_ISK channel as the shock troops so they can magnify and profit as well. Then throw on the great pains we take to use misdirection and hide from the market as well as CCP. Yep, it is all very cloak an dagger, but that is EVE.

That sorta thing is exactly what makes EVE fun.

I know what CCP will do and what CCP should do are two different things. I'm not talking about what CCP will do, but what they should od.


25% reduction in compressed ore refining efficiency, somewhere between 1-5% manufacturing tax based on input value, 3% seems to be a possible midpoint, same for market transaction taxes and refining. Start at 1% and adjust upwards slowly until players start doing what you want them to do.


So some people are actually dumb enough to spend 24 hours between each time they travel back and forth between hi/null? That's unfortunate.


a) That's not an answer to the question.
b) Taxes on refining, production and sales are simple and already in place in the game now. Manufacturing taxes would have to be redone to use the mineral value, but that's about it. It would also open up for bottom-up financing for alliances in nullsec. It's a nice, clean and simple solution. Conversely we have your solution where things are taxed going out of hisec. How would you suggest CCP implement this? Wallet deduction the instant you go outside of hisec?
c) So you don't hate jita, but you want to get rid of it or reduce it. And, how would you implement this "make it costly to ferry stuff across empires"? A percentage of the content in the cargohold per jump, all just to try to make jita smaller?

How?


In the past? What was done in the past? A small plucky alliance out-lasting a bigger, more structured one?


Nullsec, as it is right now, has absolutely no use for carebears, and you're actually going to act surprised when what people in nullsec wants is people who aren't carebears?

We're proposing that there should be, because they would help financing the alliances from the bottom up, i.e. financing through activity. Why do you hate a vibrant gameworld?


I've no idea what your point is here, you're saying you're using 2 freighter runs to empty your 88 planets, and that people would be mad to do the same thing in low or nullsec? hisec planets yield 3 times as much as others and on par with 0.2 planets?

It's like I'm in opposite land.


a) Sigh, did I say "1000v1000 was better"? Do you see the word "it's better" anywhere? No? Maybe that's because I didn't say "it's better", what I said was that "this is what the reality of the game is now". The populations in nullsec are bigger, the logistical strain is harder, and this is just the reality of the game.
b) Why do you think hisec will "suck just like yours" just because of a few minor taxes? Stop being such a drama queen.
d) It wasn't contrived. As a "programmer analyst of 20+ years" you should have the ability to parse that.

And? Do they let you easily avoid taxes in RL? If you have 20B of stuff (unlikely, he'd be ganked well before getting there) then you have 200M to pay as fee.

While it's hilarious, it's honestly such a moronic idea for so, so many reasons, some of which you have yourself espoused as arguments for not doing other things in the past. "Cost passed on to consumer" and things like that, ring a bell to you? Yes, I too think that people who do not build their product within one jump of jita should not be able to compete in the market at all! I too think that this would somehow be fair to the new players in empire, but increased manufacturing fees? Can't have that!

Travelling until you're bankrupt, like a game of Monopoly.

Being able to travel yourself bankrupt in anything other than capitals and up is a bad idea, and you should feel bad for thinking it's a good idea.

So you've suddenly dropped the whole "I want to desentralize Jita" clause?

No. The empires should be something more than an ancient roleplay vestige.