EVE General Discussion

Then dont live there. Neeext problem please.

This I agree with 100%. They dont want their pvp to be risk vs reward. They want to fight frieghters/miners and ships that are fitted for missions not pvp. If they wanted fair pvp they would stay in low/null where people are fitted for pvp and stop trying to change a space they suposidly dont live in.

Bottom line is IMHO they just want their easy kills.

As it gets, perhaps. And yet there are things you haven't experienced, thus it is not comprehensive. Which means you really oughta stop making comprehensive claims based on your experience.

There are people who have no Empire presence. Your claim that everyone does is false.



Wait. You list one item you can do in null that you can't do in Empire, and then immediately claim that all areas offer the same? That they're not for different things?

I suggest you've got a problem with perspective. There are obvious differences, you just discount them.

Can people make more ISK/hour than you think they should (L4s etc)?

Maybe if they do make more money then say ratting in null then 2 options.
One perhaps the rat bounties in null are too low.
Two, I wonder how many nullsec'rs have alts for running those missions when nothing else is going on.
If they don't then their loss.

PS - I think of it this way, High-sec'r earns tons of ISK say they have 50 fitted ships.
Null-sec'r response, less money but I have 1,000 friends who will blow you up in a heart beat.
ISk isn't everything, High-sec'r may collect stuff but that is it, they don't really do change much in game.
So let them have there ISK.

Do people think that semi-afk mining is an issue as it potentially drives mineral prices down?
Prices are a lot higher for minerals then when I started playing.
Can't really say there is a problem then with the semi afk play style.

Do people want more targets to shoot in low/null/WH?
Null no shortage of targets.
Low-sec - well that is a issue in itself and there is no real fix for that. low-sec will always be sparce as far as population is concerned. Which means some are really raking in the ISK

Should no-one in eve be allowed to play in a relatively risk free (from a ship getting blown up standpoint) environment?
Sure why not, freedom of choice pick your poison.

Do people feel that if something can be done in High-Sec there is no point even bothering to do that activity in Low/Null/WH? (and also is this inherently a bad thing?)
I am sure there are people that have no interest in Null and I know there lots that have no interest in High-sec.
Personal choice once again and it really is a none issue.

everyone does and has, with their PvE alts
pretty much mandatory SOP these days

but there's no good reason on why that must be

And all you pixel "soft" men will come to realize that EVE emulates life to such a degree that the old saying applies: The strong will do what they can, and the weak will suffer what they must.

Whatever your opinion of what is "right" and "wrong", sooner or later PvP will happen to you, even in high sec. That's the beauty of EVE. The other cute thing about this game is that you will never be able to excel on your own. It takes (surprisingly few) friends to succeed at EVE, which is logical since it's a multi-player game. So your uber faction/officer fit 20 billion isk rattlesnake will die quickly to a small handful of enemies with moderately fit ships. Friends are your advantage, and if you insist on single player, you will always be at a disadvantage. Of course you can do this willingly, but then don't complain about it being unfair. EVE is multi-player by design. As far back as 2005 I remember the devs changing the game to encourage more, not less, PvP.

is this the real life?

Hi-Sec
I don't think there is anything wrong with hi-sec either. There is near zero risk and the rewards are near zero as well. If you manage to grind 20 mil an hour mining in hi-sec (even if its afk)... and you can grind 20 mil ratting in 0.0 in 5 mins, then the risk/reward balance is not out of synch at all. They moan about the ease of manufacturing and researching in empire... when they've got enough moons and wealth to setup their own stations and equalize the playing field in terms of cheap capacity.

Low-sec
There is nothing of value in low-sec though. This has to change. Low-sec, like wormholes, needs it own unique value system that one will not find in hi-sec, 0.0 or whs in order to attract more players to those zones. Removing existing value from existing zones and pushing it into the ghetto will not solve the problem, it will just unbalance the existing equation and create new problems. I believe low-sec should be opened up to renters. Players or corporations should be able to rent stations from the empires, or rent spots to setup their own outposts. They'd get bills like 0.0 players would, failure to pay would result in a loss of the outpost's ownership.

0.0
0.0 has more value than the ghetto and allot more risk than hi-sec and the ghetto combined, but its not accessible to solo players, the grind is blobtastic and given that 0.0 relies on more or less the same isk making mechanisms as hi-sec (with the exception of better rats, larger anoms and much better sig sites), one can easily see why 0.0 dwellers despise hi-sec. I'm an NPC 0.0 dweller for the most part and I don't really have any gripes with the way those zones are setup at present. I wouldn't mind detaching the sov requirement to anchor super cap construction facilities.... but thats just me.

Wormholes
I am not a fan of this zone. I prefer to have infrastructure, local, an actual market, stations I can dock on when i feel like, celestial objects I can warp to without having to scan them down like some bot nerd with no life, gates I can use and space my caps can actually jump to if I light a cyno. Despite these drawbacks that clearly don't work with my gaming preference, people love wormholes. Not jsut in terms of the danger element, but because they believe they can make more isk in those zones than anywhere else. Power to them.

Personally, I feel that each zone should have something unique that sets it apart from the other in terms of not only risk(or lack thereof) and rewards (or lack thereof), but also some unique twist that would add complexity or simplicity to the game. All zones can have assets that overlap, like asteroid belts, planets, moons etc... but more zone specific content should be added.

I also believe a 5th zone should be added. The idea of frontier space, where players can enter solar systems from wormholes... colonize them, build their own gates and create their own empire space from a wh/0.0 environment, would be a step in the right direction. Allowing those players to dictate the law of game mechanics in that space would be the next step, such as specifying if cynos can be lit in their own personal hi-sec, if stations can be anchored, if moons can be mined, if POCOs can be anchored, what their own custom officials or NPC navies would classify as contraband or not....

lmfao

hey Asuka please send 24 billion isk so i can set up one station that has less functionality then one of the literally thousands of free stations in highsec?
i promise you rich rewards in scandium for your efforts

(you can remove yourself from this thread now)

Damn vagrants.

Go grind some.