EVE General Discussion

Personally the only nerf to HS I would make is to increase manufacturing costs and introduce some sort of Concord Payment if you have a PoS anchored, similar to Sov bills.

What really needs to happen is for CCP to sort null out.

A big problem is people who have never lived in null sec scream how much isk you can make there when in reality for most people it is difficult.

I know personally I can earn more isk in HS with great ease then I could do in null sec which for me is wrong.

Its the whole reward v risk debate.

HS = lots of reward with next to no risk

Null sec = little reward with lots of risk

For me this is the wrong way round.

The so called hardcore pvp players rant on and on that EvE is supossed to be a cold dark unforgiving place.
Tho that may be what CCP originally intended the game to be, Eve has changed comciderably in the last 9 years.

The number of players has continued to grow into the 100's of Thousands. and the Devs MUST adapt their vision of EvE to suit EvE's playerbase as a whole.

Continuously nerfing high sec will only drive those players or enjoy a safer more casual gamplay out of the game, and this
would be bad for ccp's bank balance and the continued growth and future of EvE Online.

Everyone has a right to play EvE as they see fit and to enjoy their own playstyle. nerfing 1 playstyle in favor of another is not the answer. and will not do any good for EvE or CCP in the long term.

Instead. They should be buffing Lo / Null sec and adding more content to make Lo and Null more attractive.

A lot of the people ranting about high sec are selfish players who believe everyone must play EvE the same as they do or get the f** out. if that happens where is the free sandbox then?

PVP is not all about blowing up spaceships, every aspect of EvE from trading to manurfactoring to competing for resources is Player Vs Player.

High Sec is fine, Buff lo / Null sec, remove gatecamps, choke points, blobing and maybe more players will venture out there for the better rewards when they know they are not instantly going to get ganked the moment they jump into a lo sec system.

First of all... It is Amaterasu and not Amateratsu...

Also the people in 0.0 are not saying that people in high sec should not enjoy their PvE content, it should just should not be as rewarding as it is. Take me for example... I only undock in 0.0 to PvP, but have 5 chars making ISK in high sec, because its not worth doing it in 0.0 as the rewards are not in line with the much higher effort especially logistics wise.

Nerfing high sec in my opinion makes more sense for the following reasons:

1. We already have huge ISK faucets in the game and buffing 0.0 would most likely mean increasing the amount of money that gets created out of thin air.
2. Making money in general is too easy if losing faction battleships and tengus is nbd and while buffing 0.0 income might attract a few more people to go out there, it makes losses even more meaningless if you can even make a lot more money again. (The balance of high and low/null income on a individual member basis is broken)
3. Nerfing high sec ISK faucets would reduce the problem with inflation.
4. High Sec, no matter if you are an industrialist or Soldier, should be the area where you learn how to play the game and not the area where you happily grind in safety forever and can be as effective as people who take the risk to move out to 0.0

I am not saying that there are no ways to make more than enough money in 0.0. All i am saying is that the extra effort compared to high sec is not worth it.



Most likely only the ones who are leaving are the ones who only play to plex their chars anyway, so all in all if those leave it is not a loss for the game at all, since they really add nothing to the game or the community.



You do not have to, but if you refuse to do so you should not be able to make billions without any risk.

High sec never should have been that profitable in the first place

Respect.

I think that CCP deciding what rewards and risks the game should have is infinitely better than any individual player due to the inherent bias each person has.

As a nobody spouting nonsense about nothing...

I do agree that there are a lot of disincentives to low and null security space that encourage many players to stay out. I also don't think merely buffing one or nerfing the other would make an impact other than to cause unsubs. It seems to me that some paradigm shifts in the way Eden is structured would need to occur. Even then, there will always be those that won't go under any circumstance. Admittedly, my own experience traversing <0.5 is probably less than 100 times.

Hi-sec space has some form of law, a restraining force that imposes some behavior adjustment on the society. Criminal activity still exists and should exist. Utopia would be utterly boring. Still, in the places in Eden that are under a civilized form of protection, citizens can go about their lives making a decent living even though adrenaline rushes are few and far between.

Where the presence of law is diminished or non-existent, life would be a struggle, survival is a matter of being smarter stronger faster than the other guy....always...in a "Game of Clones" this gets a little fuzzy. These reaches of space attract Davy Croketts, Jesse James, Billy the Kid, Bluebeard, Lewis and Clark, Alexander, Napoleon, Attilla the Hun, Ceasar etc. that can't or won't live under the confines of the imposed civilized society. These people scrape, scratch and claw for power and discovery in places civilization is afraid to go. It is a hard and constant struggle.

But it sounds like other than the ability to brag about dominance over chunks of space and a few resources there is very little to differentiate hi-sec from lo/null-sec other than the whole imminent death thing.

So, at the bottom of the wall of text... I've seen the same ideas over and over get mentioned and then trolled to ashes. We need new ones that change the way some things work without breaking that bit of terror you feel when you do somethng you know is filled with unknown and seriously dangerous.

These might not be new but...
1. I'm nervous but rarely am scared flying around in space once I get past the gate. But that damn gate keeps me out most of the time. I use a character I don't care about as a scout if I can't get help but think it's a little cowardly. Others might not want or have the ability to do that. So how do we get me past the gate? It can't be just PvP, or because the lvl 4's are there or bigger cooler rocks or even cheaper indy fees (they would be more expensive and rare in lawless space, sorry).

And I'm stopping with the one stupid point since anyone with any sense stopped reading long ago .

^^ THIS

Nothing can be done in Low, without being at least stalked.

Oh, and after they use Focused Interdiction on your Bustard that hangs 4 Warp Stabs (giving it +6 Warp protection) they will still bring 8 ships to pop it just for the KillMail buff.

Force KM's to only report who Laid the Final Blow.

That should stop the 'easy as popping a Mack in High Sec' LowBears.

High sec is boring. Also it shouldn't have ice fields at all.

Do this & you'd quickly find 4 Jitas. The Hi Sec Islands would in many ways almost act like 4 shards on the server. Its been suggested before.
TBH the hatred for HI SEC is mostly from the whiney lame wolves whom want easier fatter sheep for the slaughter... all too often their ideas just boil down to move everything profitable into NULL SEC will drive all HI SECCCers into lo/null when in actuality it'll just drive them out of the game tottally when they see thier clean sandbox turn intoo a dirtier cruddier sandbax fillled with turds and stinks to high heaven.

It's like they imagine or fear that there will never ever ever ever be new players getting involved in Low and Null and it is dying....or something.....and that a shortage of PvP is brewing.......or something.

Curious, the passion that drives this attitude of wanting all to behave and play the same exact way.

Sounds more like the mindset of religious fanatics more than anything else.

It's a weird attitude I have found nowhere else in my 47 years BUT in Eve (excepting fascistic dictatorships and theocracies, but that's a whole other thread).