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What is the real problem people have with High Sec?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#261 - 2012-10-18 22:58:44 UTC
Kinroi Alari wrote:
Ooooh -
Do you do that too?
Not any more. I used a Myrm when I first started running L4s maybe 4 months into the game. I pulled in about 15M/h at that point but it went up as I started to collect all the drone skills…
betoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2012-10-18 23:08:05 UTC
Davis TetrisKing wrote:

Can people make more ISK/hour than you think they should (L4s etc)?


People need to realise that there is no difference between "too much isk in HS" and "too little isk in NS", its only the ratio that matters.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#263 - 2012-10-18 23:28:29 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
the real problem is all the assholes in low/null chased everyone out so now they're whining and crying to have everyone forced into low/null so they can shoot them.



Not all, just the minority always posting around here and a couple others disturbed as much as those, but at least have the decency to not post.

brb
Taranius De Consolville
Doomheim
#264 - 2012-10-18 23:31:44 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
the real problem is all the assholes in low/null chased everyone out so now they're whining and crying to have everyone forced into low/null so they can shoot them.


This, simply this

The PvPers blew up any miner trying to make ISK in 0.0 so they all left
The PvPers blew up any ratters trying to make ISK in 0.0 so they all left

U can run exploration in null because the afk stealth pilots scan u down and blow you up.
You cant run small gangs because the second u enter enemy space they blob u to hell and back
U can use JB's securley as they sit above them in gangs of SB's n warp off before they get blown up, but not before they blow u up.

PvP players complain about empire and whinge that it is destroying eve, it's not.

The real People messing eve up are the hardcore PvP nap trains that take out any potential alliance they see as a threat before it even gets started, secure VAST areas of null sec and then **** and whine on the forums when there is no body to shoot at anymore because people have had enough.

Test
Goons
AAA
NC.

etc. All responsible for this change in eve, bob aswell, ascn started it back in the day.

The PvP pilots have a fav saying *you reap what you sow*

Guess what, they are now reaping what they sow and are bitching like kids with there toys taken away because of it.
Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
#265 - 2012-10-18 23:32:36 UTC
Ever notice that if you take the "R"s out of "RISK FREE" it spells "ISK FEE"? Therefore - risk free without the arse = taxation. Think about that.
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#266 - 2012-10-19 01:32:25 UTC
There are some good posts comparing industry in hi-sec vs industry in null and nice ideas on a few changes that could be made so null can have more industry available to pilots that wish to continue pursuing industry in space they own.

As for people who pvp in null but are unable to make more isk in null than in high... In the past I was in null with a good alliance that had blue neighbors and we had safer space than highsec. I made more isk quicker than I ever have in hi-sec. Your either doing it wrong or your alliance sucks and they cant secure your space long enough so you can make isk. Neither of these is a hi-sec problem. However, it is a problem of the pilots skill / alliance the pilot is in.

Is there a lot of isk in hi-sec? Yup, sure is. Can you make a lot of isk in complete 100% safety in hi-sec and never lose a single ship? Of course. This particular activity is called 'playing the market'. You can make more isk by trading in the game than you can running missions or mining in hi-sec. Are people suddenly going to raise a fuss now that I've brought up a way to make hordes of isk in game without ever undocking and risking a ship to pew pew?

As has been said before in this thread, if hi-sec is so great, move back there. Your obviously limiting yourself by not being in hi-sec afterall. Right?

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#267 - 2012-10-19 01:42:03 UTC
"hey guys i was part of a little something called the 'northern coalition', the largest coalition in EVE history where i ratted for lots of isk in 0.0 and when the DRF showed up i promptly moved back to hisec while everyone else lost their space - therefore nullsec is risk free and my analogy is applicable everywhere."
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#268 - 2012-10-19 02:05:18 UTC
High sec was never meant to be profitable. Bear
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#269 - 2012-10-19 02:06:28 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
"hey guys i was part of a little something called the 'northern coalition', the largest coalition in EVE history where i ratted for lots of isk in 0.0 and when the DRF showed up i promptly moved back to hisec while everyone else lost their space - therefore nullsec is risk free and my analogy is applicable everywhere."

When WHO showed up?

We know who was first. We know what happened.

Who owns it now?

It was all part of ze plan. I waz der.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2012-10-19 02:11:17 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
High sec was never meant to be profitable. Bear

Making it unprofitable isn't really possible. Though you can lower the rate at which profit is accumulated.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#271 - 2012-10-19 02:11:26 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
When WHO showed up?

We know who was first. We know what happened.

Who owns it now?

It was all part of ze plan. I waz der.


As hilarious as your conspiracy theory is, I doubt the World Health Organization had any part in taking the old NC's space.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#272 - 2012-10-19 02:17:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
When WHO showed up?

We know who was first. We know what happened.

Who owns it now?

It was all part of ze plan. I waz der.


As hilarious as your conspiracy theory is, I doubt the World Health Organization had any part in taking the old NC's space.

Those that thought beyond the obvious called it before it happened.

And it was never a conspiracy, it was the work of a masterful tactician.

But meh. History....

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#273 - 2012-10-19 02:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
the drf were all goonswarm alts and LXQT was actually a sound stage in new mexico

the history of npc corp posters
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#274 - 2012-10-19 02:33:19 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
the drf were all goonswarm alts and LXQT was actually a sound stage in new mexico

I hadn't heard that one.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Drakonium
Sublime Tactic
#275 - 2012-10-19 02:36:18 UTC
I play in hi sec almost exclusively. Don't care that some of you hate that. I play 1 hour per day and simply don't have the time to enhance someone else's gameplay by being their cannon fodder at the expense of my fun.
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#276 - 2012-10-19 02:42:13 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
"hey guys i was part of a little something called the 'northern coalition', the largest coalition in EVE history where i ratted for lots of isk in 0.0 and when the DRF showed up i promptly moved back to hisec while everyone else lost their space - therefore nullsec is risk free and my analogy is applicable everywhere."

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When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#277 - 2012-10-19 02:44:48 UTC
"u mad", the eve-gd debate equivalent of waving a white flag
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#278 - 2012-10-19 02:52:42 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
"u mad", the eve-gd debate equivalent of waving a white flag

Responding to nonsensical post with nonsensical response.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#279 - 2012-10-19 02:55:23 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
"u mad", the eve-gd debate equivalent of waving a white flag

Responding to nonsensical post with nonsensical response.

u mad?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#280 - 2012-10-19 03:00:02 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Olleybear wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
"u mad", the eve-gd debate equivalent of waving a white flag

Responding to nonsensical post with nonsensical response.

u mad?

No.

You?

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.